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Lagerlout said:
Umm, thanks for the various responses, I think..?! :confused: :D

Call me frank, but a lot of assumptions being made and to be honest I don't give a **** as to what some of you may think of what I'm doing and why. :D

I've been building engines myself for over 20 years so have a fair bit of experience. I've also raced in various series starting in the late 80's so tick that box too. In addition to this, I haved owned and own several, serious performance cars and this car is just a toy for a bit of fun to take on track, Santa Pod laughs etc, and a Q car for the road to wind up my mates and their exotica. I'm not really too bothered if it's compromised in some ways.

My question was simply aimed to get some details of people who can tune Fiat's in the UK. I don't have the time anymore to do this sort of thing myself so I wanted to hand it all over to a specialist who has experience doing this. An Assetto Corse is not road legal in any way shape or form, and I am not going to go about cutting out the integral cage in this car, I do not want a full on race car. Besides, it will be too slow. ;)

Anyway, the good news is that G-Tech finally got back to me and I'm in the process of booking my car in for complete modification mid September. If you're interested go over to the Abarth forum and you can see the full details and watch the transformation for better or worse.

I'm going to be a bit conservative and go for the 1.6L 295 PS conversion - just in case it offends anyone...

:D:p

jnoiles - thanks, that will be excellent. Would love to go to the Ring - daughter no.2 arrived a couple of weeks ago so I am housebound for a few more weeks!! Have fun and take some pics and vids!!
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Anyway think G-Techs a good tuner to go with, they appear to be getting good reviews not just in Germany but accross Europe, will be worth the trip out of the UK, theres no one really tuning A500s here to such degrees and at anything like the quantity that they are doing.

Look forward to hearing about it.
 
Lagerlout said:
Umm, thanks for the various responses, I think..?! :confused: :D

Call me frank, but a lot of assumptions being made and to be honest I don't give a **** as to what some of you may think of what I'm doing and why. :D

I've been building engines myself for over 20 years so have a fair bit of experience. I've also raced in various series starting in the late 80's so tick that box too. In addition to this, I haved owned and own several, serious performance cars and this car is just a toy for a bit of fun to take on track, Santa Pod laughs etc, and a Q car for the road to wind up my mates and their exotica. I'm not really too bothered if it's compromised in some ways.

My question was simply aimed to get some details of people who can tune Fiat's in the UK. I don't have the time anymore to do this sort of thing myself so I wanted to hand it all over to a specialist who has experience doing this. An Assetto Corse is not road legal in any way shape or form, and I am not going to go about cutting out the integral cage in this car, I do not want a full on race car. Besides, it will be too slow. ;)

Anyway, the good news is that G-Tech finally got back to me and I'm in the process of booking my car in for complete modification mid September. If you're interested go over to the Abarth forum and you can see the full details and watch the transformation for better or worse.

I'm going to be a bit conservative and go for the 1.6L 295 PS conversion - just in case it offends anyone...

:D:p

jnoiles - thanks, that will be excellent. Would love to go to the Ring - daughter no.2 arrived a couple of weeks ago so I am housebound for a few more weeks!! Have fun and take some pics and vids!!
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That engine conversion sounds awesome. I wonder what they'd charge to put such a thing in my 1.4 lounge? I'd love to keep the cutsey standard 500 look but be packing that kind of power underneath. Scare the crap out of people with that.

Don't worry, pics ahoy from the ring. And I'll post the other pics tomorrow as well.
 
All this talk of power,

I was really looking forward to getting my Abarth because of the greater performance over my std transport (0 - 60 in half the time), however, truth is , even at the Abarth's modest performance (in relation to modern sports cars), it is too fast for todays roads.

Sure it goes well, but if you want to race someone on the road in it, you will either lose your licence, or hurt someone.

The days of going flat out are getting few and far between I am afraid.

The Abarth is about all you need, 130mph is a crazy speed to go on the motoway, and the grip is fantastic.

Why would you want any more? I did ponder over upping the bhp, but other than bragging, I came to the conclusion that more bhp would just lead to trouble.

The only place for this is on the track.

Someone said they were expecting a baby, my daughter is 15 now, she rides a bike on the road, imagine your child on that bike as you go just that little bit too fast and cause the oncoming car to swerve into her, not many people have an accident by choice, do you need that extra power now?
 
ads abarth said:
All this talk of power,

I was really looking forward to getting my Abarth because of the greater performance over my std transport (0 - 60 in half the time), however, truth is , even at the Abarth's modest performance (in relation to modern sports cars), it is too fast for todays roads.

Sure it goes well, but if you want to race someone on the road in it, you will either lose your licence, or hurt someone.

The days of going flat out are getting few and far between I am afraid.

The Abarth is about all you need, 130mph is a crazy speed to go on the motoway, and the grip is fantastic.

Why would you want any more? I did ponder over upping the bhp, but other than bragging, I came to the conclusion that more bhp would just lead to trouble.

The only place for this is on the track.

Someone said they were expecting a baby, my daughter is 15 now, she rides a bike on the road, imagine your child on that bike as you go just that little bit too fast and cause the oncoming car to swerve into her, not many people have an accident by choice, do you need that extra power now?
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I was thinking this today, plenty of bigger, faster performance machines out there with 3, 4, 5 times the power! But how much can you actually use? I feel that the amount the Abarth has is just about right, a usable amount of power if you like, you can use ALL the power and have plenty of fun without pushing safety/economy/license limits! As we all know, there's a time and a place to drive fast.
 
ads abarth said:
All this talk of power,

I was really looking forward to getting my Abarth because of the greater performance over my std transport (0 - 60 in half the time), however, truth is , even at the Abarth's modest performance (in relation to modern sports cars), it is too fast for todays roads.
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Er? What? Can you justify this in an objective way please?

ads abarth said:
Sure it goes well, but if you want to race someone on the road in it, you will either lose your licence, or hurt someone.
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Plenty of people own much faster machinery without losing their license or killing people.

ads abarth said:
The days of going flat out are getting few and far between I am afraid.
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ads abarth said:
The Abarth is about all you need, 130mph is a crazy speed to go on the motoway, and the grip is fantastic.

Why would you want any more? I did ponder over upping the bhp, but other than bragging, I came to the conclusion that more bhp would just lead to trouble.
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If that's the way you feel fine, but I'm sure for others the situation is different. Witness the number of performance related threads here on FF. And that's an equally valid point of view.

ads abarth said:
The only place for this is on the track.
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I don't think he's stated that he wants to illegally travel at 200mph on UK roads?

ads abarth said:
Someone said they were expecting a baby, my daughter is 15 now, she rides a bike on the road, imagine your child on that bike as you go just that little bit too fast and cause the oncoming car to swerve into her, not many people have an accident by choice, do you need that extra power now?
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You seem to be implying that because he wants more power he's a sudden danger who will deploy that power at all times in all circumstances. This is a bizarre line of thinking without any sort of evidence to support it.

Also, re the bike rider situation. If the government has decreed that bikes are equal road users, and it has, then bike users have to accept equal risks. If you're worried about your daughter getting hit by a car don't let her ride her bike on the road.
 
I reckon the important thing, if one is going to deploy a quick motor, is to create space, keep that observation sharp, and always consider others. There's plenty of brisk motoring to be enjoyed at the right time and in the right place without breaking laws. When I had a 911, I never was able to use all 141.6mph of its top speed except on track days, but there were plenty of times that I could use all the acceleration and a lot of the handling.

Is this an old fart speaking? If so, I'm glad I've lived long enough to get that way!!
 
Thanks Jnoiles,

You seem to be against this argument.

Yes, many people have faster cars, but don't get into "trouble", but they are not using all that power, because it is too much. Say for example you have the new M3, how long could you drive that for at full throttle??

As for using a track, yes that's the place, but this guy allready stated he wanted it to be a road car.

Keep my daughter off the road, yes we do, because of the bad drivers round here, result of this is we are now producing new car drivers who have no sense of road awareness, as they have only been on the road for the time it takes to pass.

My point was, can you use more power than the Abarth all the time, I can't even use the stock power.

The cars are getting faster, and the roads slower, hence pointless power, just figures to impress people with.

I don't mind what people do, and I love watching drag racing, it was just my opinoin that this is becoming a waste on todays roads.

Last point, I used to modify Cortina's , one guy modified his to 550bhp, impressed us all at the meet, including me. 3 weeks later the car was unrecognisable, two people were in hospital, and our mate in the cells.

Just my opinion.
 
i thought this was a forum for car enthusiasts?

stupid talk like this about cars having too much power are just the sort of thing that the anti car lobby pick up on and guess what soon enough the safety numpties are trying to ban cars above a certain power to weight ratio

some of you should be ashamed of yourselves (n):bang:
 
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RobW said:
i thought this was a forum for car enthusiasts?

stupid talk like this about cars having too much power are just the sort of thing that the anti car lobby pick up on and guess what soon enough the safety numpties are trying to ban cars above a certain power to weight ratio

some of you should be ashamed of yourselves (n):bang:
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Would tend to agree.

If people are happy with 50 bhp great, if someone wants 1000 why not, can you use a thousand, probably not but Ive a friend who has fun trying. Ive got access to 3 cars, the Abarth, 130bhp, the Skoda 165 bhp & the zed around 500. Can you use the power on todays roads , Yes, but theres a time & a place.
Its not the car that causes accidents, its the nut behind the wheel. All this talk of not needing power, not needing to go quickly plays into the hands of the anti fun brigade. The last thing we need is yet more people telling us how to lead our lives.
 
It was interesting to see that those who were for the extra power had non-Abarth cars, and those who thought the power about right had Abarths.

Indeed, the world would be a sad place if some of us did'nt push the norm out the window.

Good luck to this 300BHP monster, I would like to see or be in it one day.

If anyone is confused by the threads here, my point was, what can you realisticaly do in a 300BHP Abarth that you can't in a 160BHP one (without being dangerous)?????
 
306maxi said:
Not this again :rolleyes: Gawd I love it when you try to make out that Abarth are more than just a rebadged Fiat competition dept which makes fast Fiats.



Next you'll be telling me that the Mito isn't a GP in drag or that the 500 isn't indeed a pretty Panda.
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Whats needed is a basic Pop model with big brakes and the 160bhp Alfa Mito engine but without all the go faster big wheels, stripes and body kit nonsense.
I don't suppose this will ever happen,as the marketing boys at Fiat will have thought of this already.
 
Alfatwo said:
Whats needed is a basic Pop model with big brakes and the 160bhp Alfa Mito engine but without all the go faster big wheels, stripes and body kit nonsense.
I don't suppose this will ever happen,as the marketing boys at Fiat will have thought of this already.
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They won't do this when they're selling all the ones they can get. This is the reason they've loaded the 500c up with things that are options on the hatchback, because they can.
 
Alfatwo said:
Whats needed is a basic Pop model with big brakes and the 160bhp Alfa Mito engine but without all the go faster big wheels, stripes and body kit nonsense.
I don't suppose this will ever happen,as the marketing boys at Fiat will have thought of this already.
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306maxi said:
They won't do this when they're selling all the ones they can get. This is the reason they've loaded the 500c up with things that are options on the hatchback, because they can.
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Maybe there's a market out there for 1.4 sleepers with 160bhp engines, brakes and suspension but otherwise look perfectly standard ;)
 
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Alfatwo said:
Maybe there's a market out there for 1.4 sleepers with 160bhp engines, brakes and suspension but otherwise look perfectly standard ;)
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Well you'll need the front bumper to accomodate the intercooler and the suspension won't be set up properly for 15's.
 
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