I have just changed my order from a 1.2 pop, to a 1.2 Start&Stop. Was I crazy not to have let this thread put me off the idea???

Soraya said:

I have just changed my order from a 1.2 pop, to a 1.2 Start&Stop. Was I crazy not to have let this thread put me off the idea???

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Nah it'll get sorted! May even be done by the time you get yours. They can't go on for long selling start n stops that don't start n stop, can they?

muttleysdad said:

Just a Quick Question Once the warning lights have come on - will they go off once you've travelled forwards a couple of hundred metres without switching off and restarting.

I only ask because I remember reading somewhere in the dim and distant past (probably about the VW polo) that the ss has to be inactive by law when the car is in reverse as you are deemed to have better control when reversing in carparks etc if the engine doesn't keep kicking in and out.

May explain why its happening but not why its not re-setting properly.

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Unfortunately not. Once the light comes on, you have to actually stop the engine altogether using the key, and restart it for any hope of the light going off. And that doesn't always work.

From what I've read there IS a problem with S and S. Fiat and Bosch are working on it, but, it can be disabled and the car used as normal. I'd do that and wait until the fix is sorted.

Oh; and make sure your dealers are informed that you want to be kept updated and won't let the problem rest. At the moment, from what I read here, the dealers are running round like headless chickens, unable to fix something they have no understanding of. If this is so it isn't the dealers' fault, but Fiat's. However, the fix will come soon enough, so be patient.

I was so tempted to change my order to a S&S, it would be perfect for me in theory... but I just can't bring myself to do it. Do these cars drive fine with S&S turned off?

llydaw said:

I can't see why the garage can't just change my car to a standard 1.2 manual.

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The list of modifications from a 'standard' 1.2 and one with S/S is considerable (starter motor, flywheel, battery and IBS, alternator, modified Engine ECU, Body Computer, wiring looms, and many other components) that it would be a long, drawn-out and expensive swap for what may only be a simple software issue. Be patient and give Fiat/Bosch a chance.

muttleysdad said:

I remember reading somewhere in the dim and distant past (probably about the VW polo) that the ss has to be inactive by law when the car is in reverse as you are deemed to have better control when reversing in carparks etc if the engine doesn't keep kicking in and out.

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As a safety feature S/S does not operate when reverse is selected in order for the driver to maintain control when manoevering.

Ulpian said:

From what I've read there IS a problem with S and G. Fiat and Bosch are working on it, but, it can be disabled and the car used as normal. I'd do that and wait until the fix is sorted.

Oh; and make sure your dealers are informed that you want to kept updated and won't let the problem rest. At the moment, from what I read here, the dealers are running round like headless chickens, unable to fix something they have no understanding of. If this is so it isn't the dealers' fault, but Fiat's. However, the fix will come soon enough, so be patient.

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It's a tad unfair to paint the Tech's as idiots- they can only go from whatever information Fiat/Bosch have supplied regarding working parameters, operating procedure, etc. Unfortunately once all the available data is exhausted, it can only mean there is something wrong with those defined parameters and no amount of wiring checks or component replacement will cure it- which means it's out of the Tech's hands.

Juwlz said:

I was so tempted to change my order to a S&S, it would be perfect for me in theory... but I just can't bring myself to do it. Do these cars drive fine with S&S turned off?

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Yes, with S/S off you wouldn't notice any difference to a normal car.

It's a tad unfair to paint the Tech's as idiots- they can only go from whatever information Fiat/Bosch have supplied regarding working parameters, operating procedure, etc.

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I never painted the techs as idiots. They are doing what they can with the inadequate information given to them by Fiat. I said it isn't the dealers' fault, but Fiat's.

Ulpian said:

I never painted the techs as idiots. They are doing what they can with the inadequate information given to them by Fiat. I said it isn't the dealers' fault, but Fiat's.

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In an attempt to avoid a flaming match (like my other recent thread), I'd just like to say that I didn't think you were calling techs idiots. I think we can all see that they just don't have the information to help them fix the problem.

Has anybody got any feedback from Fiat or their dealer to advise what we (the consumer) should be doing about the issue?

I mean, has anybody been told that you shouldn't be driving your car on safety grounds, or have you been told that it's ok to carry on driving it and they'll just let you know when there's a fix?

The last I heard from our dealer is that they thought they'd fixed it, after keeping it for a week, and we found out the next day that it wasn't fixed, when driving it. We decided the best thing to do was to just keep driving it until we spot a reproducable pattern, so we can show the dealer, they can fix it, and test it.

What have you other s'n's owners been told? What situation are you in now?

still waiting for my dealer to ring back. I did tell them on Sat that I will also monitor when it happens to see if I can see a pattern. Typically I haven't seen one yet. I'll keep you posted of the response I get.

i dont want to turn it off because it will remind me even more that it doesnt work properly.

so i will continue to adapt to how i drive off in the morning. reverse...pull forward...pull over...restart twice.....drive off.

however this evening i reversed on to the drive after a 20 mile drive to avoid doing all that tomorrow morning.

and, at the top of the drive. THE LIGHT CAME ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Looking forward to the fix

JimR123 said:

I mean, has anybody been told that you shouldn't be driving your car on safety grounds, or have you been told that it's ok to carry on driving it and they'll just let you know when there's a fix?

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D4nny8oy said:

with S/S off you wouldn't notice any difference to a normal car.

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I think that answers the question, unless, of course anyone who is driving with it switched off has noticed any other anomalies.

Also, I think a few people have chosen the S/S model primarily for the extras you get over the standard POP so driving it with the S/S switched off won't be such a pain for them as for the people that specced it primarily for the eco savings.

Hang on in there and hopefully the solution will be forthcoming in the near future.

grimwau said:

I think that answers the question, unless, of course anyone who is driving with it switched off has noticed any other anomalies.

Also, I think a few people have chosen the S/S model primarily for the extras you get over the standard POP so driving it with the S/S switched off won't be such a pain for them as for the people that specced it primarily for the eco savings.

Hang on in there and hopefully the solution will be forthcoming in the near future.

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i must point out that the s and s is lounge spec without the glass roof!!!..its the same price, but features different alloys!

being pedantic!

JimR123 said:

Has anybody got any feedback from Fiat or their dealer to advise what we (the consumer) should be doing about the issue?

I mean, has anybody been told that you shouldn't be driving your car on safety grounds, or have you been told that it's ok to carry on driving it and they'll just let you know when there's a fix?

The last I heard from our dealer is that they thought they'd fixed it, after keeping it for a week, and we found out the next day that it wasn't fixed, when driving it. We decided the best thing to do was to just keep driving it until we spot a reproducable pattern, so we can show the dealer, they can fix it, and test it.

What have you other s'n's owners been told? What situation are you in now?

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I was told that the car was perfectly safe to drive with the problem. Incidentally, my car is back into the Fiat Marylebone Service centre tomorrow - they acknowledged a fault 3 weeks ago (when I first took it in) and want to look at it again tomorrow. I doubt they have a fix for the problem but I'll find out tomorrow and post any updates.

keeforelli said:

i must point out that the s and s is lounge spec without the glass roof!!!..its the same price, but features different alloys!

being pedantic!

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Sorry! I thought that I had read that the trim options were more varied and some people preferred the seat colours/ambiences you could only spec with the S/S and that was their prime reason for going that route.

grimwau said:

Sorry! I thought that I had read that the trim options were more varied and some people preferred the seat colours/ambiences you could only spec with the S/S and that was their prime reason for going that route.

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Yeah, it has pop seats and some people have a problem with the lounge seats so could opt for the S'n'S. Personally, I mainly wanted the S'n'S feature but it also worked out well that I wanted the electric sunroof - which costs the same whether you have the fixed glass roof already or not - so I felt happy paying for it (which I may have been less inclined to do if I already had the fixed glass roof).

grimwau said:

Sorry! I thought that I had read that the trim options were more varied and some people preferred the seat colours/ambiences you could only spec with the S/S and that was their prime reason for going that route.

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Yup, that's why we were going for it... you can get the pop seats.

Basically it's a lounge without the roof and different styling. All info online and in the brochures should be discounted and you should just try and get it from a reputable source... ie this forum!


crabman

crabman said:

Yup, that's why we were going for it... you can get the pop seats.

Basically it's a lounge without the roof and different styling. All info online and in the brochures should be discounted and you should just try and get it from a reputable source... ie this forum!


crabman

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how are the pop seats different?...just out of interest....would i have them in my S and S?

i have an ivory and red interior!

keeforelli said:

how are the pop seats different?...just out of interest....would i have them in my S and S?

i have an ivory and red interior!

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The pop seats have the same colour as the ambience around the top of the seats. This I think really makes the interior. The material isnt great but its ok.
I presume the seats are the same in the S&S but only from looking at them. Im sure someone can confirm if the material or the shape is different they do have a 500c logo in the top which is a neat touch.

The web configurator is a good way to look and compare them.