Technical 500 springs and shocks

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Technical 500 springs and shocks

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Just been looking on shop4parts and they do list different shocks for the 1.4, so Im guessing they are stiffer? Cant find any info on springs though... if I fitted 1.2/1.3 springs, Id have to fit the shocks too wouldnt I, otherwise it would act wierd?
 
The suspension components (springs, shocks, and bump stops) are different for the three versions of the 500. The springs are colour coded to identify them. Playing around with them as you suggest might work, but you are taking on the role of development engineer at this point and it could prove a costly and futile exercise. This is because each power unit and gearbox combination has a different weight, and the springs and shocks are tuned to this weight. So, if you fitted the setup from the 1.3, you might find the suspension is actually harder because the 1.4 engine does not weigh as much as the diesel.

What you really need to improve things are softer, dual-rate springs, firmer shocks to control them, and probably a rear anti-roll bar to keep things in check. Pretty much what Ford have already done, I suspect. But Ford do not offer the 1.4 engine in the new Ka, so there is no suitable set of parts available off the shelf.

As far as ride quality goes, the shock absorbers will only be part of the problem. They are probably cheap and nasty, and do not control rebound very well. But the initial fidgety, harsh response will be caused by springs which are too stiff in the first 50mm of movement, and the nature of low-profile tyres (as you have found for yourself by unwittingly reducing tyre pressures).

It could be that one of the sophisticated coil-over kits (like the KW one) would actually improve ride quality if you kept the ride height the same, rather than lowering it, especially if it had dual-rate springs. However, it worries me that they are selling exactly the same kit for all variants of the 500, so one wonders just how well developed it really is. And they are not cheap.

John
 
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I actually find the front suspension fine, its the rear thats harsh. I can tell you shocks are the same for 1.2 and 1.3 though, maybe front springs are different?

I would have thought all rear springs would be the same as all the 500s are the same on the back.
 
I have made contact with someone who has some 15s... hope to pick them up the weekend if he hasnt sold them by then:) Its bouncy but also harsh over potholes and the like, unless mine is knackered which is unlikely.

I wouldnt be cheeky enough to ask for that drive:)
 
You know Im actually missing it now... seems a long time to fix it, the Mercs a bit thirsty too:(
I went out on my Yamaha for a ride this afternoon, rode back via bodyshop to see if I could see the 500 anywhere, couldnt though.... how sad is that?
 
205s... so you have increased the rolling radius and thus the sidewall height too. You really think the 15s are a no?
The guy has a few buyers anyway.

yes - indeed, marginally
kit was developed on the standard 15"s though
16"s are my winter wheels and tyres

honestly, you are welcome to try my old 15"s to put your mind at rest
they are at spax at present but will be picking them up next week along with the original suspension
 
Barry

Regarding the possibility of changing springs, shocks etc for those fitted to the new Ford Ka. It is not quite so simple as it might appear. Firstly, you do not have any mounts on the 500 for the rear ARB, which is probably a vital part of the package. Secondly, if memory serves, Ford actually changed the spec of the torsion beam itself, which was a major cost to them in the development of the Ka (remember that the torsion beam is also an active part of the suspension, another spring in fact). So the Ka springs and shocks will not work without a new torsion beam, and probably the ARB too.

Front and rear suspension work together, and are part of a package, particularly when the car is asked to change direction. So if you alter the rear setup without changing the front, you might find that ride comfort over rough surfaces is improved as you desire, but that something very nasty indeed happens if (when) you arrive at the limits of handling in a fast bend. Racers spend a great deal of time (and money) sorting all this out on the safe expanses of a track, not the public road.

John
 
I have made contact with someone who has some 15s... hope to pick them up the weekend if he hasnt sold them by then

Barry, you have probably decided not to get the 15" wheels now that you have found that the tyre pressures were mainly to blame for the ride quality http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/fiat-500-allo...arms=72:1689|66:2|65:12|39%3#ebayphotohostingbut I see that guy on ebay with the Michelins is re-advertising his wheels/tyres and has started the bidding a 99p this time.


Also, this seems a good deal (currently £20 + £20 p&p for a brand new 16" wheel for someone with this style who might have kerbed one of theirs.
 
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