Hi,

I went to my local dealer today and looked around the 500's. I noticed it said lounge on the inside of the door, didnt really think much of it, but then he said about it too, lounge, pop etc....

What are the actually differences between them,

I like the Yellow, but cant find any second hand at the moment, as dont want a brand new one.

But also like the funk white with sport interior.

Hmm

The differences are many. Mostly, but not all, in the trim department.
Look at the Fiat site configurator and spend some time comparing the specs.

Ulpian said:

The differences are many. Mostly, but not all, in the trim department.
Look at the Fiat site configurator and spend some time comparing the specs.

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Well said. You are most unlikely to find any second hand ones, maybe some dealer's demonstrators, as the car is so new. So don't count on saving money. But,then again, you only live once, and if you like it, go for it!

ake a look on Nuova 500's shop, there is a 500 1.2 Pop on there, reg X 500 POP incuded in the price.

Comes with Cha Cha Blue
Chrome Kit
Body coloured mirrors
Side rubbing strips
Vintage wheel trims

Retail on this would be £8730 + £250 for the plate, they only want £7900 all in with only 700miles on the clock.

eBay has some good second hand bargains!

I got my 1.4 Sport for £8500 - a saving of over £3k from list price (yes I know it is lhd but that's what I was after anyway)
prices will probably drop significantly when the 500 Abarth is released

RobW said:

eBay has some good second hand bargains!

I got my 1.4 Sport for £8500 - a saving of over £3k from list price (yes I know it is lhd but that's what I was after anyway)
prices will probably drop significantly when the 500 Abarth is released

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Ummmm why........so the abarth is going to knock residual values....don't see how. Someone looking for a economical car 1.2 or 1.3mjt in no way is going to be tempted by an abarth. Sorry mate can't see it

Yoshi

yoshi said:

Ummmm why........so the abarth is going to knock residual values....don't see how. Someone looking for a economical car 1.2 or 1.3mjt in no way is going to be tempted by an abarth. Sorry mate can't see it

Yoshi

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I agree with Yoshi, I don't see any indication that the Abarth will negatively effect 2nd hand values.

It wont, but give it a few months and youll get a bargain.... theres no way they will get the predicted high second hand prices Fiat want.

Domino effect...

People that bought 1.4 Sports/Lounges will sell them to upgrade to the Abarth.

This in turn depresses prices of the other models.

I know three or four people that ordered Abarths a year ago and got a 1.4 Sports/Lounge to fill the gap.

1.3 Multijets will have best residuals IMO as will still be a current model.
1.2 will be superceded by the 900cc turbo.

You will be able to buy a 1.2 POP for 5k in a year's time.

Sorry RobW but you are wrong the abarth is completely different to a normal 500 and I would say the majority of folk have bought the 500 as it's a great little car that's economical and cheap to tax run etc. Ourselves included we just aren't interested in a blinged up hot hatch version of it I know a few will be but not that many it's an aquired taste that will cost more to trade up to.

And to run: insurance; petrol anybody...

I know 30mpg is great for a lot of people, but for others it is really not great.

I have just read the speck list for the Mito and it mentions the new Multiair cylinder heads - which will not be introduced at launch next month. With one of these on the Abarth motor the car might be a very different economy proposition.

I would expect that there will be people trading down from two litre sporty cars who still want the speed and for whom 30 would feel economical. Not most 500 owners though. Traditional Fiat buyers are looking for economy at all levels.

RobW said:

Domino effect...

People that bought 1.4 Sports/Lounges will sell them to upgrade to the Abarth.

This in turn depresses prices of the other models.

I know three or four people that ordered Abarths a year ago and got a 1.4 Sports/Lounge to fill the gap.

1.3 Multijets will have best residuals IMO as will still be a current model.
1.2 will be superceded by the 900cc turbo.

You will be able to buy a 1.2 POP for 5k in a year's time.

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And there will be "many" abarth dealers placed all over the country to call in and trade in your 500?.....ummm nope. A total of 14 abarth dealers and mine being approx 60 miles away. So its not going to be a "main stream" model. ITS A HALO MODEL....... its meant to add to total 500 sales not undermine the whole range

Yoshi

Ps have a read (thanks to paul at NF500.com)

Those clever bods with calculators (or crystal balls, or both) who predict future used car prices for the motor trade have altered and improved their estimations on the value of the Fiat 500 in three years.
The predicted residual values on some 500 models have increased from 42 per cent to 46 per cent of original list price. That equates to a positive adjustment of more than £350 on the car’s value on a typical three year/30,000 mile contract. For buyers funding the car through contract hire or personal contract purchase (PCP) that should reduce rentals by more than £20 per month.
As is often the case in the motor trade, the entry level model, the Fiat 500 1.2 Pop is rated as having the best residual value at 47 per cent after three years.
says Adam Pumfrey, fleet and remarketing director, Fiat Group Automobiles UK.

I wouldnt want the Abarth either, just dont like the look of it and Ive bought a 1.4, although I was going to have a 1.3, then a 1.2!!!

For myself, I would like the greater power of the Abarth version, but I really don't like the extra air scoops or the wheels. It's all a bit too fussy and a touch vulgar. I like the 1.4 Sport that I have, the look of that is well-nigh perfect as far as I am concerned. So I am really rather hoping that Fiat will bring out an Abarth tuning kit for the standard 1.4 16v, I would get that like a shot.

John

John R Smith said:

So I am really rather hoping that Fiat will bring out an Abarth tuning kit for the standard 1.4 16v, I would get that like a shot.

John

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There are quite a few aftermarket tuning parts and packages available already John, the 500 is no different to any other Fiat and 125 bhp is easily achievable with camshafts, remap, induction and full exhaust. Not to mention that many prefer a normally aspirated engine to a turbo, especially for competitive use.

There is also the option of transplanting the 1.4 TJet engine from a salvage Grande Punto.

And finally, if you feel the need to beef up the looks all you need to do is fit different front and rear bumpers and some 17" alloys.

Hey presto, an 'Abarth' of your own creation.

andy armitage said:

Sorry RobW but you are wrong

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You can't know that I am wrong, or that you are right.
Only time will tell...

I was merely stating my opinion.

RobW said:

There is also the option of transplanting the 1.4 TJet engine from a salvage Grande Punto.

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Or even a Bravo 150bhp? Abarth killer! Well in a straight line anyway.

RobW said:

There are quite a few aftermarket tuning parts and packages available already John, the 500 is no different to any other Fiat and 125 bhp is easily achievable with camshafts, remap, induction and full exhaust. Not to mention that many prefer a normally aspirated engine to a turbo, especially for competitive use.

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Very true, Rob. But with an official Abarth kit from Fiat my Warranty would be intact.

John

John R Smith said:

Very true, Rob. But with an official Abarth kit from Fiat my Warranty would be intact.

John

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Your warranty would be stay intact anyway John, as the parts that are fitted have their own warranty. As long as you buy quality parts from a reputable supplier.

Say the camshaft fails and takes out the engine, you would claim on the camshaft manufacturer.

A common mis-conception of aftermarket tuning...

Rob

I take your point. But I think that there are all sorts of complications here. If, for example, one was unfortunate enough to have a piston break up or a valve drop, then Fiat could very well say that they would not repair the engine under warranty as non-standard parts had been fitted which increased the power output beyond its design limits. And if a special camshaft itself broke, then I think claiming from a manufacturer in Italy for consequential loss could be pretty tricky and I, for one, would not expect much chance of success.

When I was selling parts for Ducati motorcycles, including various special cams, carbs, exhausts etc, we always specifically disclaimed any liability whatsoever for consequential loss, as we had no control over the conditions of use, condition of the rest of the engine, or skill level of the customer who fitted them. If it broke in normal service within 12 months we would replace the part, no more than that.

John (ex-John Smith Ducati, in another life many years ago)