General 1.3 diesel my arse
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There is little difference in it with modern diesels mostly due to the massive demand for them nowadays. Bigger demand = cheaper per unit. Kia of all companies offer their diesels for exactly the same price as the petrol equivelent with the Ceed.
As for OP who's gonna split hairs over <50cc
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As for OP who's gonna split hairs over <50cc
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Everytime you post that (white font ftw) I check your post for white text. good job, eh?
Michael
Everytime you post that (white font ftw) I check your post for white text. good job, eh?
Michael
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Its not the 50cc that’s the issue its the inability to describe products accurately. Misrepresenting a product should be discouraged in my view.
I would have bought it if it was either 1.3 rather than actualy 1.2, I just have a beef with companies that change the truth to suit what they think you want to see.
Now virgin media thats another story lol :bang:
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There is little difference in it with modern diesels mostly due to the massive demand for them nowadays. Bigger demand = cheaper per unit. Kia of all companies offer their diesels for exactly the same price as the petrol equivelent with the Ceed.
As for OP who's gonna split hairs over <50cc
But still there's the cost of the turbo plus the extra metal for the block and head
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But still there's the cost of the turbo plus the extra metal for the block and head
Yes your right but they actually produce more diesel units than petrol nowadays which evens out the price so there is no reason for them to charge excessivly for the diesels anymore. Main comparrison for this would be the 1.4 T-jet engine against the 1.3 Mjet in the GP you can actually buy a T-jet sporting than a lower spec 1.3 Mjet which cost pretty much the same to manufacture
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He wasn' accusing you of spamming. Thats J1ppers job.
How the heck am I spamming. What is it with people around here who think you're spamming/trolling because you don't agree with everything people say?
He wasn' accusing you of spamming. Thats J1ppers job.
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Only just noticed this
Hi J1PPERS, how are you? it is pretty easy to get j1ppers and 306maxi confused, so I'll let this one slide.
Michael
(But I think you are more trouble than you are worth!)
Only just noticed this
How the heck am I spamming. What is it with people around here who think you're spamming/trolling because you don't agree with everything people say?
Hi J1PPERS, how are you?
it is pretty easy to get j1ppers and 306maxi confused, so I'll let this one slide.Michael
(But I think you are more trouble than you are worth!)
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:hug:J1ppers is in my good books today. He defended me even though I'm on 'the list'.
hehe.
bit harsh:nono:
every1 is here to help/learn
:hug:J1ppers is in my good books today
. He defended me even though I'm on 'the list'.hehe.
Yes your right but they actually produce more diesel units than petrol nowadays which evens out the price so there is no reason for them to charge excessivly for the diesels anymore. Main comparrison for this would be the 1.4 T-jet engine against the 1.3 Mjet in the GP you can actually buy a T-jet sporting than a lower spec 1.3 Mjet which cost pretty much the same to manufacture
I do think that it gets to a point where it doesn't get cheaper to manufacture an engine though. Fiat are still going to be using the same amount of metal in the block of a 1.3 mj regardless of the economy of scale
I do think diesel is becoming a fashionable buy because people think it's cheaper. Which it is but only in the very long run. I think the manufacturers are just cashing in on this.
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Exactly right
. I did the figures and its cheaper for my to have my 1.4 16v petrol punto rather than the 1.3 or the 1.9 mjet . Ever since its been 10ppl more for diesel anyway .
I do think that it gets to a point where it doesn't get cheaper to manufacture an engine though. Fiat are still going to be using the same amount of metal in the block of a 1.3 mj regardless of the economy of scale
You really think that there is £1400 worth of extra metal in the MJ? The extra metal costs pennies (at most).
Yes there are ancillaries which are more expensive too, but by far the biggest chunk of that £1400 has nothing to do with cost of manufacture. It has to do with recouping massive R&D budgets which have been spent, for the most part, trying to reduce NOx emmissions and particulate pollution.
True. I don't think it'll be pennies but of course nowhere near £1400 but the turbo and the fact that manufacturers cash in on people going for diesel's because they get better mileage should explain it somewhat.
winge winge winge!!!!!
1 had it been advertised as a 1.2 diesel do you think they would sell aswell as they have no of course not
2 turbo diesels and indeed petrols tend to be rounded up from 50cc or near enough at 1248
as they have a turbo so most of the time are using more than 1248cc anyway
3 and again it stops confusion between it and the very close petrol at 1242cc
now go get a remap and stop winging
1 had it been advertised as a 1.2 diesel do you think they would sell aswell as they have no of course not
2 turbo diesels and indeed petrols tend to be rounded up from 50cc or near enough at 1248
as they have a turbo so most of the time are using more than 1248cc anyway
3 and again it stops confusion between it and the very close petrol at 1242cc
now go get a remap and stop winging
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So true. I just found out my girlfriend's L reg Subaru has a 1998cc engine. ****ing Subaru! Where's here extra 2cc
It's all advertising. Just like the Bimmer 318i's that actually have a 1995cc engine. Who cares?
hum lets add it up shall we stronger much more robust engine turbo inter cooler oil cooler particulate trap more expensive catalytic converter 3000bar injection system injecting 7 times for every fire of the engine more robust gearbox the 514r bigger drive shafts
you see i can easily see £1400 spent there why cant you
i could go on there's plenty more
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I wasn't actually the one arguing that the diesel shouldn't be the same price as the 1.4
I wonder if Fiat will raise the prices for the new direct injection petrol "multiair" engines they're releasing in a year or two for the 500. Electronically controlled valves and direct injection won't be cheap.
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You cant round 1.248 to 1.3 thats the point its one 1.2 or 1.25 if u go to nearest 50cc, maths is maths.
Now marketing people may be able to lie and think its cool but its still wrong.
I would have bought it either way as I wanted a diesel and it doesnt change the torque or power figures.
Now marketing people may be able to lie and think its cool but its still wrong.
I would have bought it either way as I wanted a diesel and it doesnt change the torque or power figures.
I wasn't actually the one arguing that the diesel shouldn't be the same price as the 1.4
I wonder if Fiat will raise the prices for the new direct injection petrol "multiair" engines they're releasing in a year or two for the 500. Electronically controlled valves and direct injection won't be cheap.
Ah, but as it's a parralel twin the parts count will be lower.
