General Multijet spec

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General Multijet spec

Valid point. However GP Sporting MJet has more than enough goods as standard. But we're not talking about those are we:)

This Nuova500 shop sounds interesting. Wonder how they get around warranty issues?:rolleyes:
 
I asked Nigel at Nuova 500 about warranty issues in relation to their induction kits, and he replied to me as follows -

"If you left the DIA on the car and took it into Fiat they may raise an eyebrow, but they are expecting the 500 to be modified and are being very laid back about them. We have worked very closely with Fiat over the products and even had a car at one of the dealerships launch party's with an induction kit fitted."

So he does not seem to think that there would be a problem. Would someone from Fiat UK care to comment, I wonder?

John
 
I asked Nigel at Nuova 500 about warranty issues in relation to their induction kits, and he replied to me as follows -

"If you left the DIA on the car and took it into Fiat they may raise an eyebrow, but they are expecting the 500 to be modified and are being very laid back about them. We have worked very closely with Fiat over the products and even had a car at one of the dealerships launch party's with an induction kit fitted."

So he does not seem to think that there would be a problem. Would someone from Fiat UK care to comment, I wonder?

John

I don't think you'll be inundated with replies to that one John:) Something I'd really like a response to also.

If Fiat were to have any problems with aftermarket tuning I think it would only be fair to relate the fault or problem directly to the additional work done. Not completely take away 100% warranty rights as someone has mentioned already. I just don't get it:confused:

Just like a Fiat dealer will recommend a good bodywork specialist why can't they recommend a good tuning company but primarily outline a few risks before hand with a fair and compromised solution (in writing maybe) if anything were to damage the vehicle mechanics?
 
The brakes on the 1.3MJ are vented and more than adequate for a tuned version although we are of course working on upgrades..

@ J333EVO, Why don't we meet up on Sunday and you can drive our demo 1.3, then you can give an honest opinion having driven one. Everyone who has driven it has been blown away by it, including Auto Italia AND dealerships, it may not be your cup of tea, but don't knock it until you have tried it.

A HUGE amount of dealerships actually offer tuning of the vehicles. We did a Landrover Defender on a 4wd dyno yesterday, the vehicle has 460 miles on the clock and was dropped off to us at 08:30 by the son of the dealership owner and the sales director. The vehicle is one of their demo defenders and we have done 7 for them in February alone for their customers. We also did an Audi 2.0TDi 170 with 232 miles on the clock for the brother of an Audi sales manager, who booked it in for him. IF you are worred about having a remap on your car when you take it in almost all tuning companies will offer a return to standard for the duration and return to modified FOC as we do understand owners concerns. With another company we do fleet economy tuning - this is on new cars and vans generally, most are lease cars too. Hell we even do brand new Ambulances :D

As for the PM Mandator, very sorry, haven't received it at all. Why not call us, 01926 611996 or try email, [email protected]. We can’t always read every thread on forums sorry.

A lot of people confuse pickup with lag. If you drive a 1.2 or 1.4 from 1300rpm in 4th it will takes ages to pick up, the same as a 1.3MJ, that is NOT lag. Lag is when you are doing say 2500rpm and stick your foot down and nothing happens then it all does - that is lag and that is what we have reduced almost entirely. We have a 1.3MJ with DPF that we have developed continually on to refine the delivery.

There is a lot of comment from speculation rather than anyone who has tried it, if you would like a demo its available, this is why we bought the car, just call us and come and have a bit of fun, we even pay for the fuel :)

We appreciate tuning your car is not for everyone but don't dismiss it through what you think its going to be like without actually trying it.
 
The brakes on the 1.3MJ are vented and more than adequate for a tuned version although we are of course working on upgrades..

@ J333EVO, Why don't we meet up on Sunday and you can drive our demo 1.3, then you can give an honest opinion having driven one. Everyone who has driven it has been blown away by it, including Auto Italia AND dealerships, it may not be your cup of tea, but don't knock it until you have tried it.

A HUGE amount of dealerships actually offer tuning of the vehicles. We did a Landrover Defender on a 4wd dyno yesterday, the vehicle has 460 miles on the clock and was dropped off to us at 08:30 by the son of the dealership owner and the sales director. The vehicle is one of their demo defenders and we have done 7 for them in February alone for their customers. We also did an Audi 2.0TDi 170 with 232 miles on the clock for the brother of an Audi sales manager, who booked it in for him. IF you are worred about having a remap on your car when you take it in almost all tuning companies will offer a return to standard for the duration and return to modified FOC as we do understand owners concerns. With another company we do fleet economy tuning - this is on new cars and vans generally, most are lease cars too. Hell we even do brand new Ambulances :D

As for the PM Mandator, very sorry, haven't received it at all. Why not call us, 01926 611996 or try email, [email protected]. We can’t always read every thread on forums sorry.

A lot of people confuse pickup with lag. If you drive a 1.2 or 1.4 from 1300rpm in 4th it will takes ages to pick up, the same as a 1.3MJ, that is NOT lag. Lag is when you are doing say 2500rpm and stick your foot down and nothing happens then it all does - that is lag and that is what we have reduced almost entirely. We have a 1.3MJ with DPF that we have developed continually on to refine the delivery.

There is a lot of comment from speculation rather than anyone who has tried it, if you would like a demo its available, this is why we bought the car, just call us and come and have a bit of fun, we even pay for the fuel :)

We appreciate tuning your car is not for everyone but don't dismiss it through what you think its going to be like without actually trying it.

Well said. I wil be booking my car with you guys once I know for sure when I am getting it, so hopefully will see you guys early April (y)
 
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I'll second that. Sounds like someone who really knows their stuff(y)

Had a look at the website and I'll definitely come in for a talk and some info sometime. Not too much of a drive.
 
I'll second that. Sounds like someone who really knows their stuff(y)

Had a look at the website and I'll definitely come in for a talk and some info sometime. Not too much of a drive.

Still has not answered the question about the warranty though.

Nigel alot of people are wanting to know this. We know the new map is difficult to find, and if the garage doesn't see it nothing will happen.

But technically what tuning options do you have that invalidate the warranty and in what way do they invalidate the warranty.
 
Still has not answered the question about the warranty though.

Nigel alot of people are wanting to know this. We know the new map is difficult to find, and if the garage doesn't see it nothing will happen.

But technically what tuning options do you have that invalidate the warranty and in what way do they invalidate the warranty.

Dealerships know that mapping goes on because they have their own cars done, customer cars done, hell we even do their demo cars! If you go into a dealership telling all and sundry that your car has been mapped and you have an issue you are making a rod for your own back. The dealer will get paid for the warranty work anyway, they have no issue with that side of things. We get fed work from a large number of dealers and the cars then get serviced at the same dealership without any question.

If you take a car in for service with a full induction kit on they will still service it as normal, under warranty, but your filter will not be changed or covered by warranty.

Its always been a hard question to answer because like insurance companies, dealerships differ from one to another and it depends on the problem. If you have a car mapped to the last bhp with an induction kit, exhaust and you throw a piston don’t expect a huge amount of sympathy from them. BUT we take it that people with new cars are not looking to have that sort of thing done, they want a good strong increase in power without taking it to the limits then that isn’t going to happen anyway - this is why we put so much emphasis on not taking it to the last bhp and also, why we actually run the cars ourselves in a lot of cases (Grande Punto was a prime example - 70k went onto that car, 94 done (96 by the end of this week) and no attributable issues, all service work and warranty work on every vehicle carried out without issue). 27% of the cars we did in January at Angel Tuning were either brand new pre delivery or under 1 year old. The average is around 25% with 75% under 3 years old, these are mainly BMW, Mercedes and VAG only though sheer volume of cars sold of course and we have never had a single warranty issue other than.....

The only time there has been an issue with warranty was when a guy on here told everyone he had his new car done then had an unrelated problem which required an engine change. The engine change was done so badly he complained about it on here. Everyone else who had experienced this dealership also then complained about them too! So he told the lease company who then told the dealership about the complaints. Said dealership read the thread then started looking around the forum, especially at posts from the original guy. Low and behold they came across his post, pictures of his car and all the new performance figures after his remap..... Lots of fun and games then ensued as they were pissed off with him lol. HOWEVER, the car had been in, had a new engine fitted, tested and given back, all done under warranty, with the mapping still on the ECU.

Basically if you want to be a pain in the ass to a dealership they aint going to be that helpful towards you. If you are concerned about your warranty and don't want to run the minimal risk of something voiding it, don't have it done, its not a necessity, no one is forcing you. If you know, as we do, that there is minimal risk, low chance of it being detected and are happy that you tuner will return the car back to standard IF you are worried at any point and you want to get it done, then there is little to concern you, get it done, get the car running to your satisfaction and enjoy it.
 
Still has not answered the question about the warranty though.

Nigel alot of people are wanting to know this. We know the new map is difficult to find, and if the garage doesn't see it nothing will happen.

But technically what tuning options do you have that invalidate the warranty and in what way do they invalidate the warranty.

True, still not there yet. But a good starting point for finding out some facts though:)

EDIT: Just read the N500SHP post. I personally think it all makes sense and to stress the point that it's down to owner responsibility and that no one is forcing you to enhance the performance of your car is good advice. I'm beginning to think that some people are just out to scaremonger the issue (just because they can) without knowing the truth.
 
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Dealerships know that mapping goes on because they have their own cars done, customer cars done, hell we even do their demo cars! If you go into a dealership telling all and sundry that your car has been mapped and you have an issue you are making a rod for your own back. The dealer will get paid for the warranty work anyway, they have no issue with that side of things. We get fed work from a large number of dealers and the cars then get serviced at the same dealership without any question....
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Basically if you want to be a pain in the ass to a dealership they aint going to be that helpful towards you. If you are concerned about your warranty and don't want to run the minimal risk of something voiding it, don't have it done, its not a necessity, no one is forcing you. If you know, as we do, that there is minimal risk, low chance of it being detected and are happy that you tuner will return the car back to standard IF you are worried at any point and you want to get it done, then there is little to concern you, get it done, get the car running to your satisfaction and enjoy it.


Thanks a lot for all this, that seems a very honest and well judged rebuttal. I think I will be visiting you guys at some point, although I don't think I'll get a remap before the warranty is over I would be interested in
seeing what else can be done for the car. Cheers!(y)
 
On the mjet, Fiat reduced the torque on the Pandas as they felt the gearbox couldnt cope, have they reduced the torque on the 500 as well, if so then the remap I take it will up the torque... possible gearbox problems later in life?
 
OK, I can safely answer this myself... the 1.3 on a grande punto develps 190 lbs of torque, on both the Panda and 500 the same 75 bhp engine develops 145 lbs of torque... why?
Because Fiat believe the extra torque will cause problems with the Panda/500 gearbox.
The remap makes the torque 185 lbs.... discuss:)
 
OK, I can safely answer this myself... the 1.3 on a grande punto develps 190 lbs of torque, on both the Panda and 500 the same 75 bhp engine develops 145 lbs of torque... why?
Because Fiat believe the extra torque will cause problems with the Panda/500 gearbox.
The remap makes the torque 185 lbs.... discuss:)

Thats very interesting I would of thought Fiat would have used the same gearbox on the 1.3 on the entire range.
 
The figures you are quoting are for Nm of torque, not Lb Ft, its quite a difference!

its not 145Lb Ft its 145Nm in standard which is 106lb ft.

86k of testing (ok hammering!) and not any issues on the Doblo gearbox with 150lb ft torque

We increased it slightly on the 500 as its lighter and more aerodynamic than the Doblo so we took it to 155lb ft, which is 210Nm. We took the engine higher, but the clutch started to slip ever so slightly, so we knocked it back to a safer level. With the amount of 0-80 testing we have done and wanging it around on test laps the clutch and gearbox are showing no signs of any fatigue. The sprint starts would show any weakness very quickly. This is why we bought this car so we can test these things.
 
Your site quotes this....

+25bhp
+40Lb ft / 55Nm
+2-4mpg improvement
Huge improvement in turbo response
Thousands of miles of testing in our own car

40lbs of extra torque is a big increase on 106lbs.... if Fiat think its a bad idea then how do you reason its not. 4000 miles wont show up longer term gearbox problems will it?
 
Your site quotes this....

+25bhp
+40Lb ft / 55Nm
+2-4mpg improvement
Huge improvement in turbo response
Thousands of miles of testing in our own car

40lbs of extra torque is a big increase on 106lbs.... if Fiat think its a bad idea then how do you reason its not. 4000 miles wont show up longer term gearbox problems will it?


I would suggest that you get your facts right first nuovapanda:)

You've already stated categorically that you won't be getting a remap so don't you think it's best you left the issues of after-market tuning alone now. No need to stress yourself for no reason is there(y)
 
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