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Re: Top Gear review the 500 - Sun 9th Dec

thing is, with a 500 you can thrash it and it will be fun, whilst also still being easy to drive

try taking a ferrari or any recently launched lambo through a city or macdonalds drive through and then see what you think - meant towards top gear

i think the 500 is ace and catches a the flair of the original, and looks cool i would rather own one then a mini
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Re: Top Gear review the 500 - Sun 9th Dec

Far better review here

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Re: Top Gear review the 500 - Sun 9th Dec

Quote Originally Posted by nuovapanda View Post
you obviously didnt get out much just after the Stilo was launched, I remember seeing them broken down everywhere IMO one of Fiats worst efforts. Interestingly an AA man once told me that the Mk1 and 2 Puntos were pretty good, this of course was when he was attending a neighbours broken Punto!!!

Thing is, there are thousands of VW/Audis on the roads of the UK so youre very likely to see them broken. To be fair they are fairly reliable cars, I seem to always see Mk3 Fiestas and various Vauxhalls broken down.

In all honesty, Fiat are a pretty reliable car to own, providing you keep up with maintainance and fix the little problems before they get you. Its my 11th year of owning them and have never been stranded in a Fiat, they always get you home
I had a MK 1 Golf L brand new in 1974 and it was always breaking down, throughout my 10 years' ownership, despite regular dealer servicing; and I only bought it because I thought VWs were reliable. Great when it was running, but clutch and throttle cables snapped so regularly I always carried spares of each and fuel starvation led to so many breakdowns the dealer eventually suggested vacuum build-up and to drill a hole in the petrol filler cap! I had it from new, paid for additional Ziebart (remember them?) rust-proofing, but it still rusted badly. Also had fan belts snap twice and once a wiring loom burnt out completely - nearly fried us all if I hadn't stopped quick, got the wife and kids out the back and disconnected the battery. Got rid of it after that. All this time my Dad had been running a circa 1973 Fiat 127 that, apart from horrendous rust, was entirely reliable, and I ran it as a second car after he died until it finally rusted away around 1987. Though I had 2 Renault 18s and a Toyota Carina after that as main cars (all reliable), I also ran a Seat Marbella with the Fiat 903cc engine same as the 127, and 2 Pandas, one with the good old 903 engine and the second with the 'Fire' engine (also all reliable) before getting the current 2001 Marea Weekend JTD as sole car. The Marea has been good too in recent years, after some early teething probs with a faulty emergency fuel cut-out switch, since replaced, and minor electrical eccentricities.

You did see Stilos broken down when they were newly on the road, but rarely now. I did acknowledge the point about there being many more VAGs on the road so proportionately you're likely to see more fallen by the wayside, but I seem to see less Fords and Vauxhalls and there must be more of them and, I still maintain, proportionately even fewer Fiats. But, as you say, regular servicing is definitely the key to Fiats and probably most other marques.
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Re: Top Gear review the 500 - Sun 9th Dec

Well done Top Gear; neither entertaining nor informative... Still, the 500 looked good.
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Re: Top Gear review the 500 - Sun 9th Dec

the most salient piece of information was that the panda is more fun to drive than the 500 - that means more to me than having a mini wannabe in exchange for a deeper hole in the pocket.
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Re: Top Gear review the 500 - Sun 9th Dec

Fiat always get criticised for their handling and steering feedback, personally I dont find it a problem, Ive only ever not enjoyed driving one Fiat and that was a Mk2 Punto. But, the press always find it a problem, so why dont Fiat actually do something about it, surely they could? Im willing to bet when the new Ford Ka (500) first gets tested every single review will rave about the fact that Ford have transformed the way the car drives, and how they have improved upon Fiats chassis. So, why cant Fiat do it now?

The big thing for me is this, the real 500 was made as a low cost car for people who couldnt afford one otherwise, and it turned out to be an absolute hoot to drive. This one is expensive and doesnt apparently drive that well... thats a problem I think.

If the 500 drives like a new Panda but not as much fun then I really think that will be a major concern. The new Panda is fun to an extent, but I wouldnt want one to be less fun. Surely it should be more fun, why isnt it then? Its no use saying testers dont get the car, Fiat advertise the fact its a fun car, that you can personalise.... but they unanimously say its not that great to drive.
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Re: Top Gear review the 500 - Sun 9th Dec

The whole handling/fun thing has been overcooked by the motoring mags to the point where they now say the new M3 is not much fun which is ridiculous if you have had the chance to actually drive one. The 500 is not designed to be the best handling car on the road, it simply doesn't have to be as it's target audience will not really care. If you want the ultimate handling on this car then you need to wait for the Abarth version.

The original small Fiat models of the 60's, 70's and early 80's felt fun because they were light and underpowered and you had to ring their neck to make progress but because of their lightness, lack of soundproofing, no power assisted steering or brakes and small size you FELT like you were driving the wheels off them at only 70 MPH. In modern cars which are engineered for safety and comfort there is much less sensation of speed because they are so quiet and solid yet they will easily out handle the old models.

Tom Ford seemed to find it fun to drive in his review on 5th Gear so I shall reserve judgement for now.
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Re: Top Gear review the 500 - Sun 9th Dec

[QUOTE=nuovapanda;1319945]Fiat always get criticised for their handling and steering feedback, the press always find it a problem, so why dont Fiat actually do something about it, surely they could? /QUOTE]

They did,they lowered the bravo,strengthened the shocks & front suspension..... now press moan the ride is too hard,cant win!

I like the taught handling of the bravo,leaves the focus/astra/stilo rolling around in its wake
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Re: Top Gear review the 500 - Sun 9th Dec

hmmmm i was wel chuffed when the 500 came on top gear last nite. but they didnt like it .i thought they would love it.
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Re: Top Gear review the 500 - Sun 9th Dec

Video for those of you who missed the episode - or want to watch it again...

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Re: Top Gear review the 500 - Sun 9th Dec

thanks for posting that, I missed it. Have to say I agree with a lot of what James said, he knows Fiats should have rev happy petrol engines for one! I thought it was a good entertaining test myself.... Im looking forward to trying out a 500 soon... even if it might be rubbish
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Re: Top Gear review the 500 - Sun 9th Dec

What was that, the car saying something to James in Italian?

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Re: Top Gear review the 500 - Sun 9th Dec

Quote Originally Posted by nuovapanda View Post
thanks for posting that, I missed it. Have to say I agree with a lot of what James said, he knows Fiats should have rev happy petrol engines for one! I thought it was a good entertaining test myself.... Im looking forward to trying out a 500 soon... even if it might be rubbish
Surely you should give the poor car a chance & without wanting to seam like a personal attack......

I have kept quiet about your ranting about how rubbish the 500 is up until now, but I can no longer.

Unless you have driven one, or work for FIAT, how are you so well placed to ridicule the 500 at EVRY opportunity.

I can't be the only person to think this surely.
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Re: Top Gear review the 500 - Sun 9th Dec

I am allowed to have an opinion, the government havent stopped that just yet... I havent ranted at all, just put across my view, you have yours and Im not about to slate that.
For the record, I liked the idea of the 500, I went to Geneva in 2004 to see the concept and was very excited... however, Fiat have made an overpriced Panda IMHO and I dont think thats very good of them... if I have offeneded anyone, I am sorry.
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