General Just test drove a 500 Sport (plus rumors)

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General Just test drove a 500 Sport (plus rumors)

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So despite the fact that fiatusa.com's official list of dealers is missing any mention of a Seattle dealership, and the fact that fiatusaofseattle.com does not appear to be a working site, low and behold as I was driving by my local Chrysler dealership in North Seattle this morning what do I see but a Fiat 500 Sport parked out in front!

Now, I have been in contact with the Kirkland dealership to find out exactly when they'll be open and when there will be a 500 Sport to test drive, so I was pretty excited to see that the Seattle dealership had one mere blocks from my house, negating the need to drive across the lake. I'm really mostly interested in an Abarth, but I wanted to test drive a Sport to get a feel for the interior and handling just to see how seriously I want to keep considering this (and contemplating selling my 2007 Honda Civic Si).

First thing when I walked into the dealership and asked about the Fiat, they introduced me to "Super Mario" Michele, their real Italian salesman. He was friendly and didn't hesitate to take us out on a test drive, but was specific about the car not actually being for sale yet. They aren't taking deposits or anything yet. Apparently they inked the deal to be one of the official Fiat Studios really late, which explained why they weren't on the PDF list on fiatusa.com quite yet.

Driving impressions:
- the clutch is soft and engages late. the clutch on my Civic Si engages as soon as you lift your toe, and contributes to a really sporty expressive feel... so I was really missing that on the 500 Sport. The clutch felt a lot like the Fiat Punto I drove last summer. I really hope they have a more responsive clutch on the Abarth.

- the gas was a little unresponsive too, even in Sport mode. again, maybe ECU tuning room for improvement on the Abarth

- steering was nice and responsive, a lot of fun to corner

- stick shift was not bad. after reading some of the review I was worried it would not be great, but I didn't really notice any problems. a short shifter wouldn't hurt of course, I'm hoping there is an after market option to upgrade that

- brake response was normal, nothing special but not bad

- features were pretty nice - sunroof, mp3 jack, usb, decent stereo, etc.

- seats were really comfortable and the ride quality was great, very quiet even out on the freeway.

- there is a really bad blind spot over the driver's left shoulder... huge. they've compensated by putting a special fish eye mirror on the outer edge of the side view mirror. it was weird, the mirror actually provides much better blind spot coverage than looking over your shoulder, but it felt very odd to not be able to look over my shoulder, and the split view side mirrors were a little distracting. probably just takes getting used to.

So, all that said, I haven't been convinced quite yet to abandon the Civic for the 500, but I *really* want to drive an Abarth now!!

Now... rumors... so Michele told us a lot of info that ran counter to anything I've read online yet. This is *PURELY* speculative in my opinion, and so far I'm chalking it up to a dealer trying to keep my interest. I don't give much validity to this info, but I can't not share as it was part of the test drive experience:
- Abarth will be in the US this summer... not Q1/Q2 of 2012, this summer. (one can only hope)

- Abarth will have a 2.0 (TWO) liter 180HP version available! I've never read anything like this anywhere.

- Abarth will ONLY have paddle shifters, no stick on the manual version (this is disappointing if true).

- Abarth Ferrari 595 Tributo will be available in the US.

Like I said, I don't necessarily think much if any of that is true. Until the studio is actually set up and taking orders we'll just have to wait & see. Or maybe I should make the drive out to Kirkland and see if they corroborate any of that info.
 
So despite the fact that fiatusa.com's official list of dealers is missing any mention of a Seattle dealership, and the fact that fiatusaofseattle.com does not appear to be a working site, low and behold as I was driving by my local Chrysler dealership in North Seattle this morning what do I see but a Fiat 500 Sport parked out in front!

Now, I have been in contact with the Kirkland dealership to find out exactly when they'll be open and when there will be a 500 Sport to test drive, so I was pretty excited to see that the Seattle dealership had one mere blocks from my house, negating the need to drive across the lake. I'm really mostly interested in an Abarth, but I wanted to test drive a Sport to get a feel for the interior and handling just to see how seriously I want to keep considering this (and contemplating selling my 2007 Honda Civic Si).

First thing when I walked into the dealership and asked about the Fiat, they introduced me to "Super Mario" Michele, their real Italian salesman. He was friendly and didn't hesitate to take us out on a test drive, but was specific about the car not actually being for sale yet. They aren't taking deposits or anything yet. Apparently they inked the deal to be one of the official Fiat Studios really late, which explained why they weren't on the PDF list on fiatusa.com quite yet.

Driving impressions:
- the clutch is soft and engages late. the clutch on my Civic Si engages as soon as you lift your toe, and contributes to a really sporty expressive feel... so I was really missing that on the 500 Sport. The clutch felt a lot like the Fiat Punto I drove last summer. I really hope they have a more responsive clutch on the Abarth.

- the gas was a little unresponsive too, even in Sport mode. again, maybe ECU tuning room for improvement on the Abarth

- steering was nice and responsive, a lot of fun to corner

- stick shift was not bad. after reading some of the review I was worried it would not be great, but I didn't really notice any problems. a short shifter wouldn't hurt of course, I'm hoping there is an after market option to upgrade that

- brake response was normal, nothing special but not bad

- features were pretty nice - sunroof, mp3 jack, usb, decent stereo, etc.

- seats were really comfortable and the ride quality was great, very quiet even out on the freeway.

- there is a really bad blind spot over the driver's left shoulder... huge. they've compensated by putting a special fish eye mirror on the outer edge of the side view mirror. it was weird, the mirror actually provides much better blind spot coverage than looking over your shoulder, but it felt very odd to not be able to look over my shoulder, and the split view side mirrors were a little distracting. probably just takes getting used to.

So, all that said, I haven't been convinced quite yet to abandon the Civic for the 500, but I *really* want to drive an Abarth now!!

Now... rumors... so Michele told us a lot of info that ran counter to anything I've read online yet. This is *PURELY* speculative in my opinion, and so far I'm chalking it up to a dealer trying to keep my interest. I don't give much validity to this info, but I can't not share as it was part of the test drive experience:
- Abarth will be in the US this summer... not Q1/Q2 of 2012, this summer. (one can only hope)

- Abarth will have a 2.0 (TWO) liter 180HP version available! I've never read anything like this anywhere.

- Abarth will ONLY have paddle shifters, no stick on the manual version (this is disappointing if true).

- Abarth Ferrari 595 Tributo will be available in the US.

Like I said, I don't necessarily think much if any of that is true. Until the studio is actually set up and taking orders we'll just have to wait & see. Or maybe I should make the drive out to Kirkland and see if they corroborate any of that info.

Fiat has a 180 bhp engine in an Abarth already but it's a 1.4
 
The gearbox on the 1.4 is a 6 speed and for us Europeans it was a much nicer gearbox that the 5 speed box with the smaller engine (it was only a 1.2). It also suits the revy 1.4L engine really well. On the Abarth 500 this 6 speed 'becomes' a 5 speed (that's if a manual is offered in the US) and comes from an Alfa because it is stronger and cope with the torque from the turbo charged engine but is a bit more 'agriculture'.
 
I thought that usa was getting the same abarth as european market with the 1.4t engine.

There is a 180bhp 1.4 version of the abarth engine in the older shape grand punto ss and in the new punto evo also the abarth 695 has 180bhp engine. You could be getting the punto engine in the abarth but i dont know.

Does anyone know if the usa are getting the punto???

Gary
 
I thought that usa was getting the same abarth as european market with the 1.4t engine.

There is a 180bhp 1.4 version of the abarth engine in the older shape grand punto ss and in the new punto evo also the abarth 695 has 180bhp engine. You could be getting the punto engine in the abarth but i dont know.

Does anyone know if the usa are getting the punto???

Gary

I asked him specifically about the Punto because I wouldn't mind a Grande Punto Abarth either... he speculated "No", and said he hoped not because he thinks it would compete with the 500. I didn't say anything but I find this speculation spurious too, because it doesn't seem like the 500 & Punto compete with each other in Europe. I think the only thing that's safe to say is they are testing the waters with the 500 and will decide what to do depending on the sales.

Oh, he said the Alfa Romeo Mito was definitely coming (more rumor mill?).
 
You'd very much struggle to get anything bigger under the hood than the 1.4 T-jet that's already in there! (see pic of engine bay of mine below) No doubt you'll get the new "Multiair" technology too, more refined, more powerful, more economical and less emitting than the T-jet unit already in the Abarth.

The Ferrari 695 edition that you speak of already had 180 BHP and a 5 speed Flappy paddle gearbox. No doubt it will be a similar set up for the US market, but i heard the Abarth version is getting 170 BHP.

As for the steering/gas pedal responsiveness, the Abarth has a different set up too. The steering is much heavier and the throttle more responsive than that in the normal 1.4. When the sport button is pressed in the Abarth, torque is increased by 20% too so a noticeable difference! I've had mine for 2 years now, it's so much fun!

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Oh yea, plenty more pics of mine in the link in my signature below! :)
 
I can't imagine that the Abarth will be sold in the USA with only an automatic available. Especially since the only auto built for here is a 6-speed equipped with a conventional torque converter. I have a deposit down on an Abarth and am trying to keep informed. If, by chance, you are correct, I will cancel ASAP (an auto is a non-started for me). I'm expecting a 5-spd with about 160 hp to start with, and a massaged 1.4 multi-air (the only engine being made here in the USA). I would prefer a 6-spd but they will be building to a price and I don't think there is a manual 6-speed transmission available that is both strong enough & small enough to fit the 500. If anyone gets more rumors on the HP, l'd appreciate hearing it.

I am afraid that the 101hp engine installed here is not only not powerful enough but also not "eco enough" for the market here. I hope I'm wrong. I'm hoping FIAT catches on like the MINI did. Cheers
 
From what I understand the US Abarth will get the Multi-Air turbo which is good for 135 hp (as in the Mito with the auto clutch tranny) or 170 bhp (as in the Mito QV) - both cars are 6 speed

So if I was taking a punt I would assume that the US may get a standard 135 hp and an EsseEsse with the 170 bhp (and I would not be surprised both will be have a standard 6 speed and the TCT semi-auto)

And I would not be surprised if the Ferrari Tributo arrives as it has been a sell out everywhere - including my neck of the woods (Australia) where the 10 or 12 were sold to dedicated Ferrari owners before it was announced
 
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