Off Topic The cost, to my hobby, of leaving the EU.

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Off Topic The cost, to my hobby, of leaving the EU.

....and I had to pay the carrier (Parcel-force) duty, VAT and a 'handling fee'---exactly as per s130's attachment.

....and in the way that I outlined in my outraged start of this thread; thank-you for illustrating a "test case" Tom.

. I've just discovered that there will now be VAT and import duties on goods bought privately from the EU. It seems that eBay will add some of this to invoices automatically and that goods over £135 will be invoiced by the carrier. In the case of Royal Mail, this amounts to a standard charge of £8.00.

What seems to have been clarified here, is that there are processes intended to eliminate paying VAT twice or for reclaiming it if that happens. There will be people who create conduits or ways to smooth out the process. But ultimately, it's just not as easy or as cheap to buy goods directly from EU suppliers as it used to be.
 
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Italy is (last time I checked) breaking many so called EU regulations/restrictions

Italy has a lot of problems,
many caused by its never-again-a-Mussolini constitution that worked only when there was the huge party Democrazia Cristiana and they were all best of friends
Renzi tried to fix it in 2016 with a referendum but failed because the anti-establishment parties lied all through 2016 and, in the last mile, his own party stabbed him in the back too
(it wouldn't be Italy without a stabbing in the back :rolleyes: )

but it was the UK that was getting/asking the EU for special treatments...
in the end, the UK basically wanted to stay in the EU and at the same time have complete control of UK immigration... cherrypicking...

I don't claim this to be 100% accurate but it's the narration that most convinces me...
 
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My friends in Italy said that there s no way the Italians would be allowed a Vote to leave thE EU... they passed some motion years ago that effectively prevent any such vote taking place.....

The government at the time released that if the people could force such a vote they would most likely vote to leave....
I think it may have had something to do with the building of a Nuclear Power station by France a few miles from the Italian boarder.....

yes, you are right there is an article of the constitution that forbids "some types" of referendums on international treaties

still, 2 anti-EU parties won the elections (one quadrupled its voters) in 2018,
luckily they didn't get along very well...

anyway now Trump and brexit talks are over the atmosphere is much lighter over here :)
 
Speaking from the continent here, as a Belgian.

Brexit UK basically wanted all the benefits and none of the disadvantages: trading with costs/taxes/import fees with EU countries, but without adhering to the standards (safety and others) for industry in the EU. So: unfair competition.

Said in another way: if you want to sell your stuff in the EU, it should adhere to our standards. Same for US, China and other markets.

As for Italy or other countries leaving: don't get your hopes up. Italy basically lives of tourism and of EU money (in the south part). Italy out means up to 70% less tourism, and no more EU grants.
After all (covid pandemic not counted) I can drive from Belgium to Italy in a day, without hassle, paperwork or visa. Just some road tolls to be paid.
Italy out would mean visa, paperwork, delays at the border. In that case I'd drive to Slovenia or stay in Austria :)

For UK: I love the UK, and try to visit often - it was after all just a train ride away. No idea how it is now, but it will be more hassle and be more expensive. So now, once we can trace again, we'll probably take a plane to Ireland. That's the direct result of Brexit, at least for us.
 
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After all (covid pandemic not counted) I can drive from Belgium to Italy in a day, without hassle, paperwork or visa. Just some road tolls to be paid.
Italy out would mean visa, paperwork, delays at the border. In that case I'd drive to Slovenia or stay in Austria :)
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This was how it was before the UK joined the Common Market which eventually became the EU... There was no red tape then... so why the need now!!!

You need visas etc to go to many countries.. it is not hard but for many entering the EU is being made out to be some complex routine....
 
I see from another forum that one parts supplier is no longer importing parts due to excessive charges and red tape.
Also the small parcel I posted to Northern Ireland a month ago is still stuck in some sort of no man’s land at the newly created border.
So that’s all working really well then :)
 
Brexit UK basically wanted all the benefits and none of the disadvantages: trading with costs/taxes/import fees with EU countries, but without adhering to the standards (safety and others) for industry in the EU. So: unfair competition.

Not quite true. UK wanted equivalence of standards and would (along with any other exporter) comply with EU rules for anything sold into the EU. However, the EU wanted the whole of UK to continue following EU rules and regulations for the whole economy (not just exports).
That is entirely unreasonable and no other trading country would agree to such a cause. There is no "Level Playing Field" controlled by EU courts with China or or Brazil anywhere else.

The sad fact is that, until David Frost took control, UK negotiators were so incompetent that EU was getting its own way at every stage. UK was heading directly for colonial status. That created friction but it needed to be done. Behave like a doormat and that's how you will be treated.

Italy? If they are allowed to elect a true QuItaly party it wont matter because they'll have already taken on debt diplomacy loans being sold as Covid relief funds.
 
Speaking from the continent here, as a Belgian.
For UK: I love the UK

Well I can complement as I used to live in Belgium and Brussels is my "Home" town as I spent all of my formative years there [Woluwe St. Pierre and Jesus Eik]

So can you answer a question for me. Do you still have to tax your bicycles (triangular metal registration plate on front forks) and does it still provide nominal insurance cover which I believe it did back in the 1970s?
 
Interesting reading this thread.

So many views on this, but what did people honestly expect to happen when the UK left the EU zone?

As a consequence of that action the UK is no longer a part of an EU bloc that allows for the free movement of goods, and people. This was clearly going to have consequences that, for some reason, the media chose not to shine a spotlight on during the campaigning (and subsequent Brexit negotiation).

Of course import and export duties that previously didn't exist were going to apply. Of course there would be bigger queues at the ports. Of course there was going to be more paperwork and red-tape which take time and, crucially, money which suppliers will have to pass on to consumers.

So many British people now seem shocked and upset by this and, frankly, I wonder why. This was all...... so very obviously...... a consequence of Brexit.

The Department for International Trade recently advised companies to "move to the EU to avoid Brexit costs.". Brexit costs that nobody was ever told about. Worse still, Brexit costs that companies were told time and time again that would never materialise.

The same can be said about the Irish Border situation (which will get worse before it gets better), the same can be said for London being overtaken recently by Amsterdam as Europe's leading trading hub.

The same can be said about the companies that have so far left the UK, or have dramatically downsized (or have said that they will) as a direct result of Brexit: Airbus, Aviva, Barclays, Dyson, Ford, Honda, HSBC, Honda, Jaguar Land Rover, JP Morgan, Nissan, Philips, P&O, Rolls-Royce, Sony, Toyota, Unilever. There are plenty more.

I'm afraid the British Government (fuelled by a complicit media), sold the British public a gigantic lie and, sadly, we're having to face the consequences of that in almost every walk of life. Including our classic car hobby.
 
Well I can complement as I used to live in Belgium and Brussels is my "Home" town as I spent all of my formative years there [Woluwe St. Pierre and Jesus Eik]

So can you answer a question for me. Do you still have to tax your bicycles (triangular metal registration plate on front forks) and does it still provide nominal insurance cover which I believe it did back in the 1970s?

Luckily not anymore, since somewhere in the 80s. Although the way our government is taxing everything now, I wouldn't be surprised if they bring it back. Fast electric bikes (speed pedelecs) already are taxed, have to have a license plate similar to cars.
 
Fast electric bikes (speed pedelecs) already are taxed, have to have a license plate similar to cars.

UK puts fast electric bikes into the same category as 50cc mopeds/scooters. See https://www.cyclinguk.org/article/electric-bikes-and-law-what-you-need-know

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E-bikes are classed as regular non-assisted bicycles in Great Britain but if they supply electrical assistance when travelling at more than 25kph (15.5mph), have a motor which generates more than 250 Watts of power or motor assistance can be provided without the bike's pedals being in motion, they will be legally treated as a moped or motorcycle. These powered two-wheelers are subject to a different regulatory framework.

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... the law states you must be over 14 years of age to ride an e-bike on public roads. However someone under 14 can ride an e-bike off-road. Sixteen years is the minimum age to ride a moped in the UK but this was reduced to 14 years for electric bikes taking into account their lower levels of power.

That all said, the speed electric bikes are going on off-road cycle tracks makes me think most of them have been "chipped" or otherwise de-restricted. Law enforcement does not seem to be interested though I expect they will have a go at teenage lads on bikes just like they did when I was riding mopeds.
 
I have just found out that if one TOWS a car on a trailer on the continent now, the vehicle on the trailer is now considered to be 'goods' and will therefore incur additional cost, as against pre-brexit when it cost you nothing extra. Just be aware of this if you had planned (when allowed to again) to attend a 'far distant' event with your pride and joy on its trailer.
 
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