Thanks for the quick replies Hobbler and Jump. Will buy these and order. I had poor luck with sealent on the sump of my everyday Saab 93 so I was going to take my chances with the cork gasket advertisedbon FD. I know you said not to but I don't see another option. On the 93 the sump leaked terribly and I don't want to go back there, would prefer cork and retorq as required.....

If you can lay your hands on a 'ruberoid' gasket, use that. If you can't find one, I have a spare one that i can send to you.

Be careful if you retorque a Cork Gasket because it will squeeze out the sides.
Some people with Cork Gaskets on Engines put Sealant on one side first and assemble finger tight all screws. Let that side cure first over night. Then remove Sump and put Sealant on the other side and assemble.
Alan

Thanks for the very kind offer Hobbler! Rubber one can be obtained through Ricambio but I need to have a look at international shipping and Brexit.

And thanks Alan for that little tip.

Will get this order going and arrange bolts and washers in the next few days.

I would go for stainless screws and washers while you were at it. Also despite your Saab experiences I would reconsider the thick gasket idea. You will loose the ability and advantage of the sump helping to stiffen up the crankcase and it is just my opinion but I think the gasket with all the sealant is more likely to leak.

Don't worry about postage Gav, if you would like to have the 'rubberoid' gasket, just contact me direct ( [email protected] ),let me have your address and I will post it to you---I am only the other side of the Irish Sea in North Wales. However, I agree with David (Toshi). By using just a sealant, carefully applied, you are unlikely to suffer leakage and being able to fully tighten the screws will help stiffen the crankcase.

Toshi 975 said:

..... but I think the gasket with all the sealant is more likely to leak.

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I will second that from my own, previous experience. I thought "belt and braces, what harm can it do, using gasket and sealant?" But I think it should be either one or the other.

I've said previously somewhere, what changed my opinion was finding that our modern Fiat 500's rusted sump was ridiculously difficult to remove. It was partly because of poor access in comparision with out little oldies, but from the factory, it was secured using only a black sealant.

My local motor factors carried this:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Wynns-1831...vlocphy=20342&hvtargid=pla-755955899032&psc=1

I applied it quite generously, as it is designed to cope with contact with oils and sets to a relatively dense consistency. It's easy to apply because the can is slightly pressurised. It is re-sealable and, in my experience, outlasts the "once-opened" expiry date; after eight months I've just used it again on my steering-box.

Back to the modern 500 sump; this has curves under the main-bearings and a much longer perimeter than our 500's. I expected it to leak, I was resigned to having to re-do it; but it was perfect first time.

Don't go mad but don't be mean with it.

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Don't worry about postage Gav, if you would like to have the 'rubberoid' gasket, just contact me direct ( [email protected] ),let me have your address and I will post it to you---I am only the other side of the Irish Sea in North Wales. However, I agree with David (Toshi). By using just a sealant, carefully applied, you are unlikely to suffer leakage and being able to fully tighten the screws will help stiffen the crankcase.

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Superb offer that I'll take you up on in the new year! Many thanks!

When you're ready for it Gav, just contact me DIRECT (i.e. not through the message system) with your address and i will post it over to you. With regard to the 20mm screws (for fitting an aluminium sump) any good "nut 'n bolt" shop should be able to supply them. Again, if you have any problems sourcing them, just let me know.

We are back in a form of lockdown over here so I just need to see what reopens post Christmas and see what I can source.

Your a star, many thanks

If you are stuck re. availability of bolts/screws/nuts due to 'lock-down', try "Westfield Fasteners". They are an 'on-line' company with a superb range of nuts/bolts/screws and washers. 2 packs (15 in each) of 20mm x 6mm stainless cap-head screws is only about £7.40 + carriage. I have used them a number of times and ALWAYS received 1st class service.

Useless for the European and US contributors, but in the UK, Toolstation is quick and convenient, with a depot in most large towns. They don't have a massive range, but stock most of the commonly needed, metric sizes and types of nuts, bolts and washers at knockdown prices...even in stainless in many case; see link:

https://www.toolstation.com/stainless-steel-socket-cap-screw/p37005

There is a place in Dublin called Profast, have used them for all sorts and they've been great. I live in kildare and cross border travel is now seriously frowned upon.

Will this thing ever disappear so we can get back to normal!

Make a list of all the nuts/bolts/washers that you think that you will need, and then go onto the "Westfield" site and get a bulk order. I use short 6mm stainless 'cap-heads', washers and nylok nuts for holding the 3 parts of the fan-shroud together--it looks clean and tidy. Even with carriage, you will probably find it as cheap as a shop; and, you won't have to cross any borders. Isn't it a total cock-up!

FR85 said:

There is a place in Dublin called Profast, have used them for all sorts and they've been great. I live in kildare and cross border travel is now seriously frowned upon.

Will this thing ever disappear so we can get back to normal!

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I just checked my stock of stainless fasteners and I did not have enough left for a full sump set. As I have a couple of engine projects in the planning I have just ordered 100 M6 x 20mm long stainless steel hex head screws which by my calculations is enough for 6 sumps so if you do get stuck I could supply you by post ?

fiat500 said:

Useless for the European and US contributors, but in the UK, Toolstation is quick and convenient, with a depot in most large towns. They don't have a massive range, but stock most of the commonly needed, metric sizes and types of nuts, bolts and washers at knockdown prices...even in stainless in many case; see link:

https://www.toolstation.com/stainless-steel-socket-cap-screw/p37005

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For us Americans, between McMaster-Carr and Fastenal you can find pretty much any fastener known to man. Shipping can bite you (at least with McMaster-Carr since they ship 2 day and don't provide an estimate), but if you're ordering in bulk or have a Fastenal branch near you, you're golden.

Thanks for all the kind offers of gaskets and bolts!

Minor set back in that I noticed I'd a warped drum on the front so I have put the sump on the back burner and instead ordered drums for the front as they're new on the rear,, shoes and wheel cylinders all round, bearings and bearing caps. At least I wont have to look at them again for the next while.

Have done some creative bending on the heat shield that goes between the cap and exhaust so this will now fit.

Minor setback, best to be able to stop it though!

Gav

The ability to stop does help! The offer of the sump gasket still stands Gav; just contact me direct when you need it and I willput it into the post to you.

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The ability to stop does help! The offer of the sump gasket still stands Gav; just contact me direct when you need it and I willput it into the post to you.

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Thanking you sir! Awaiting brake parts to come in!

The stainless steel hex head screws and heavy duty spring washers for fixing the alloy sumps have finally arrived so I can supply a full set of 16 by post if anyone is thinking of going down that road.