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Re: Rauksternīs 500F -65 rebuild

I have a diagram showing all the major chassis measurements. It is a 'paper'copy, but if anybody wants a copy of it, contact me direct, with your address, and I will copy it out and send it to you.
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[QUOTE=Raukstern;4553359]"The shell is part of the journey"

If I was to buy a new shell I might aswell buy a new Cinquecento.

Hi Seb,
by the time you're finished you will have effectively a new Shell in "Patchwork". With a new Shell such as the Heritage Shells they have been treated correctly and certified as the same as original.
Sorry but It's ok patching in bits what happens to the Anti-rust treatment unless you get the whole Body dipped.
How are you planning to treat the Panels/Body.
I like your project but if it's not treated it will rust the same if not faster.
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I have a diagram showing all the major chassis measurements. .......
Is that from a Factory book tom?
If so which one save me trawling through everything I have.....

A long time ago had a mate weld VW Van roll over frames... he got one of hos blokes who was doing very little when work was slack....
He made about 10 and a Jig to make them accurately each time......
unbelievably the cost was only Ģ250 each.. not bad considering his guys were Coded Welders and descent thickness metal...so done right...

We struggled to sell them all... then after he cut up the jig.. everyone seemed to want one having realised it was the best way to keep a shell square when chopping out and welding in new metal...
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Re: Rauksternīs 500F -65 rebuild

My w/shop manual is a factory publication--"New 500 and 500D" from 1963---page 282 (in the 'body' section) The diagram is 'figure 435' and is titled:--'Floor main checking data'
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My w/shop manual is a factory publication--"New 500 and 500D" from 1963---page 282 (in the 'body' section) The diagram is 'figure 435' and is titled:--'Floor main checking data'

Who needs Google when we have Tom!!
Many thanks.... think I know where that book is...
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Re: Rauksternīs 500F -65 rebuild

Well... meanwhile the work of stripping the body continues. Last night I removed the rear suspention details; springs, shocks and A-frame.

The common demominator through all the jobs... you know it, RUST.
But most of the nuts loosened easy enough. Only the lower shock mount och LH side had to be cut off. No loss, new shocks will be needed later anyway

As soon as Iīve got most of the suspention off, Iīll try to get it upp in the rotissiere. But Iīm thinking about where in the chassis the best place to fasten it is? On "normal" cars you usually put it in the bumper mounts, but thatīs not recommendable here I think
Anyone have experience with this?

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As soon as Iīve got most of the suspention off, Iīll try to get it upp in the rotissiere. But Iīm thinking about where in the chassis the best place to fasten it is? On "normal" cars you usually put it in the bumper mounts, but thatīs not recommendable here I think
Anyone have experience with this?

/Seb
Josh from Zinger Customs n the US. restored a Jolly on a rotisserie
his thread may show all the mountings..

https://www.fiatforum.com/500-classi...9=#post3344846
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Josh from Zinger Customs n the US. restored a Jolly on a rotisserie
his thread may show all the mountings..

https://www.fiatforum.com/500-classi...9=#post3344846
Great tip, thanks!
I see he used the mounts for the rear crossbar. Maybe that works
How much lighter is a Jolly compared to a normal 500? You guys think it will hold?


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Great tip, thanks!
I see he used the mounts for the rear crossbar. Maybe that works
How much lighter is a Jolly compared to a normal 500? You guys think it will hold?


/Seb
In realty as the shell will have no doors or such there really would not be that much difference,
the Jolly has no roof and rear windows... but it has extra metal strengthening to allow for the lack of roof....
after all what does a sheet of steel weigh......
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In realty as the shell will have no doors or such there really would not be that much difference,
the Jolly has no roof and rear windows... but it has extra metal strengthening to allow for the lack of roof....
after all what does a sheet of steel weigh......
I thought so much. Iīll make sure to weld in a new floor panel before I put it upp, to make sure the stability is there.
In the front it looks like most people use the front suspension mounts, so Iīll try the same.

Iīll be back!
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After asking around locally Iīve found a company that can sandblast the whole shell for me, when stripped and ready. (I live on an island, so I didnīt think Iīd find it here)
So the plan, for the moment, is to get it to them as soon as I get the shell ready. Donīt know the cost yet, but for such a small objekt it canīt be too heavy... can it?

Has anyone here left a car to the blasters? Pros, cons? Cost?

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Hi Seb,

I had my 500L body soda blasted. Details can be found here.

https://www.sodablastingltd.co.uk/fiat-500-2/

I was really pleased with the process. The only downside is the media remaining in the cavities that takes a while to remove but it’s a small niggle. I also had some of the larger parts blasted while I was there, wheels, trailing arms etc.

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Hi Seb,

I had my 500L body soda blasted. Details can be found here.

https://www.sodablastingltd.co.uk/fiat-500-2/

I was really pleased with the process. The only downside is the media remaining in the cavities that takes a while to remove but it’s a small niggle. I also had some of the larger parts blasted while I was there, wheels, trailing arms etc.

Cheers,

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Great, thanks for the reply Katie!

Did you have any really rusty bits, where the only thing left after blasting was holes?

Iīm a bit worried the metal is too thin in a few places... But I guess this is how I find out

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I think I was lucky in that there weren’t any major rusty bits. There were lots of dents though.

If you chose an experienced blaster they will assess the condition and tell you if it’s suitable for blasting or not.
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I think I was lucky in that there weren’t any major rusty bits. There were lots of dents though.

If you chose an experienced blaster they will assess the condition and tell you if it’s suitable for blasting or not.
Had a look at your restoration thread, Good work!
Orange is one of the colours Iīm considering for mine, when done But thereīs years left I guess and many colour will come in play and disappear again till then
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