Technical 500 Gearbox - different models, different parts

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Technical 500 Gearbox - different models, different parts

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As some of you know I have rebuilt my original D engine and was planning to fit a later synchro 126 gearbox.
I had stripped the 126 gearbox and made sure it all aligns to the D bell housing as the earlier casings only had the 2 bolt holes for the starter motor.
The gearbox has all been vapour blasted and the main box assembled.
I originally had 25mm driveshafts on the D.
It turns out the D's originally had 19mm driveshafts. The flanges that bolt onto the flexi drives are smaller diameter than the F/L/R as they changed the rear swinging arms to allow for a larger diameter flexi drive.
I ordered a new set of 25mm D driveshafts but they were out of stock and they sent me the 19mm ones.
So eager to build the gearbox so I could put it away until the shell was rebuilt I thought I could use the 19mm ones.
Then it hit me. There seems to be some differences between the D & later differentials.
Looking at the original specs:
The D had the 8/41 5.125 ratio.
The D sport had the 8/39 4.875 ratio.
The L/126 had the 8/39 4.875 ratio.
However when comparing the D diff to the L/126 diffs the D ones are a lot smaller.
Ring Gear:
D. 145mm outside diameter, 85.5mm inside
L/126. 154mm diameter, 80mm inside
Bevel gears:
Flange 58 & 62 mm diameters
The ends of the driveshafts are also smaller.
Across the spigots 44 & 45.5mm
Across the flats 19.6 & 21.5mm
The actual diff assembly is different in size as well so you cant change the ring gears over.


So I thought not a problem I will fit the later diff which matches my pinion gear. Trouble is the later crown wheel wont fit in the D casing, its too large a diameter.
I made a cardboard template to determine the inside shape of the casing and then tried it in the L/126 casing and you can clearly see the later casings have been designed to accommodate the larger ring gear.
I wonder if the 500 D sport ring gear which is the same ratio as the later ones was the same diameter as the early ones?


I don't think there is enough material in the 500D casing to machines some out to make space for the later diff. You can see from the picture where I have drawn the size of the 2 ring gears and laid them in the 500 D casing that I need to remove a minimum of at least 1mm to allow clearance.


So I have come to the conclusion that I will either have to rebuild the original D gearbox (But I don't want non synchro), See if I can use the original layshaft with the synchro gear assembly, fit the synchro gears in the D box, or I could use a F/L bell housing.
The later would mean I have an additional hole for the starter motor, or I could have this welded and then reshape the top to look like a D housing.
 

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Nice to see precise, evidence-based information about these complicated matters. Too often we see slightly inaccurate, anecdotal or re-quoted information which doesn't allow for the nuances of Fiat development. Good stuff as always Sean.
This should be very useful to other owners of antiques.;)
 
Either that or it will put them off completely.
I have got gearbox parts all over the place now and no closer to putting the damn thing back together...

If you want some practice Sean feel free to reassemble mine for me or is it a different setup again .:)
 
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