General MOT Exemption Regulation Confirmed.

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General MOT Exemption Regulation Confirmed.

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I think us MOT-dodgers will be OK. :)

Engine – alternative cubic capacities of the same basic engine and alternative original equipment engines are not considered a substantial change. If the number of cylinders in an engine is different from the original, it is likely to be, but not necessarily, the case that the current engine is not alternative original equipment"

https://www.autoclassics.com/posts/...eases-historic-mot-rules-and-it-s-good-news-1
 
Oh looks like it! It would have a been a bit silly when you consider the ‘massive’ increase in power!!!!:D Now where did I put that 650 engine and gearbox?
 
Without wishing to place a damper on things I really do wonder how the insurance chaps are going to respond to this :bang::bang: I have to say that as my trusty steed is modified somewhat I shall continue to fork out my hard earned for a MOT as a 'belt and braces' approach (y)(y)(y)

Ian.
 
I keep hearing this MOT thing.. as I said I really must get one...
 
With the state Rusty is in I wouldn’t bother wasting your money. :D:D

well no road tax and £80 a year insurance... mmmm may just put him on the road next year...
Wonder how far I would get before there was less than 50% left then when I started out..
 
That might depend on how much damage was done as the “special roadholding” device (otherwise known as concrete lump) fell out of the boot floor? :mad::mad:

I'll just get the Kango on that,
fill the lower front with screwed up newspaper, masking tap over it on the outside them some under-seal... no one would ever know...
a set of mats covering the bulkhead proble,ms...
a quick coat of ~Diamond Brite polish and I could sell it as Original condition...
With the Smell of Patina
Rare full sun roof model, only a few in the UK...
Who will start me at £10k
 
I'll just get the Kango on that,
fill the lower front with screwed up newspaper, masking tap over it on the outside them some under-seal... no one would ever know...
a set of mats covering the bulkhead proble,ms...
a quick coat of ~Diamond Brite polish and I could sell it as Original condition...
With the Smell of Patina
Rare full sun roof model, only a few in the UK...
Who will start me at £10k

Great motor trade style! Have you got the ”Arfur Dailey” sheepskin coat as well? In the words of the great bard: You’ll go far young man. :D:D(y)
 
I'll just get the Kango on that,
fill the lower front with screwed up newspaper, masking tap over it on the outside them some under-seal... no one would ever know...
a set of mats covering the bulkhead proble,ms...
a quick coat of ~Diamond Brite polish and I could sell it as Original condition...
With the Smell of Patina
Rare full sun roof model, only a few in the UK...
Who will start me at £10k

BigV, you are describing my car !!!!!
ian.
 
3 days to go!!! You should be able to download the V112 on May 20th and apply for the exemption. The form hasn’t been amended yet for historic vehicles, so don’t try yet.
 
I just found an interesting aside to this MoT exemption whilst taxing the 500 online.

My MoT had run out as I was waiting for the exemption form V112 to be updated, which has now, so it’s simply a case of printing it out filling it in, signing the declaration as MoT exempt. Taking it to the post office for them to notify DVLA.

I decided to apply for vehicle tax online via the DVLA website using the V5 reference number and vehicle registration number, as my reminder reference number had expired. When I completed all the details online it prompted me and said something alone the lines of “our records show this vehicle is over 40 years old and MoT exempt. Is this correct?” I confirmed it was and it automatically renewed the road tax even though I haven’t completed the MoT exemption V112 yet and taken it to the post office. Makes applying for road tax a lot easier!

It does still show as the MoT as being expired online but I would once the V112 has been received it will be updated to exempt I would imagine?????
 
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A further update after visiting the Post Office with my V112 and being met by puzzled staff!

It seems the V112 only needs to be completed if you are buying Road Tax at the post office. I called DVLA and DVSA to ask them to clarify how the car becomes MoT exempt.

When you renew the road tax online either by receiving a notification from the DVLA annually when it is due for renewal or using the V5 if the car has been off road for a while. You will be prompted, as I was by DVLA, by something along the lines of “our records show the car is over 40 years old and is therefore tax and MoT exempt, is that correct?” When you click yes, that is you making the declaration. Going forward the MoT checker website will be updated to reflect this but it can take a few days or weeks as it’s all a new process.

Effectively all cars over 40 years will be deemed to be MoT exempt if you declare it when renewing your road tax online. You can’t say no it’s not over 40 years if it is. If you then chose to have an MoT anyway, it will still be officially MoT exempt. I am not sure how that will be displayed on the MoT checker website though?
 
Just an update on this (from my perspective anyway).

My MOT became due about four weeks ago, so I went ahead and got it done so I could legally continue to drive my car in the spring sunshine! My car tax is due at the end of this month (May), so I waited until today so I could tax the vehicle online and tick the box to declare that the vehicle is now MOT exempt.

The box wasn't there to tick, so I called the DVLA and they said that because I have an MOT in place the tick box won't appear. However when I apply for road tax next year, after my current MOT has expired, the box will be there to self declare the vehicle as exempt.

A little annoyed, as I've carried the tax reminder around with me for days waiting for today, and I needn't have waited.

As an aside, my car has undergone a thorough and accurate conversion to 595 esseesse spec (all of the required engine work, Dellorto carb, suspension mods etc), and the V5C now reflects its capacity as 595cc (not 499). The car is still considered to be MOT exempt.

That said, I'll continue to get it checked voluntarily every year just as the road tax falls due, for my own piece of mind. I do find the whole idea of making these cars exempt from MOT quite odd if I'm honest!
 
You will be prompted, as I was by DVLA, by something along the lines of “our records show the car is over 40 years old and is therefore tax and MoT exempt, is that correct?” When you click yes, that is you making the declaration.

Tony, were you not asked to declare that the car was unmodified? It seems that they have made the process more straightforward than many people expected.
It's interesting to note that the DVLA are obviously trying to "fast-track" owners into MOT exemption. There's something a little obtuse about effectively defying that official direction and persisting in an unnecessary annual MOT.
In order to be really safe these cars should be examined more regularly than once a year judging by the regularity by which we all seem to experience fairly serious problems. I will be subjecting my car to a safety check by the most knowledgeable Fiat 500 mechanic available who can be easily reached on an almost daily basis.................. little me. ;):D
 
Tony, were you not asked to declare that the car was unmodified? It seems that they have made the process more straightforward than many people expected.
It's interesting to note that the DVLA are obviously trying to "fast-track" owners into MOT exemption. There's something a little obtuse about effectively defying that official direction and persisting in an unnecessary annual MOT.
In order to be really safe these cars should be examined more regularly than once a year judging by the regularity by which we all seem to experience fairly serious problems. I will be subjecting my car to a safety check by the most knowledgeable Fiat 500 mechanic available who can be easily reached on an almost daily basis.................. little me. ;):D

My PM will address a lot of your points Sir:D It is so straightforward I was somewhat shocked, I was expecting a lot more bureaucracy.

On the V112 it states the bit about modifying the engine and no substantial changes etc... When you apply for the road tax and apply on line and it prompts you, I don’t think it mentions the modifications? I think it just assumes that as you are declaring it as a historical vechicle then you must have read the T&C’s that allows you to make this declaration.
 
Oh right I have just noticed on the MoT checker website it says.

“This vehicle's MOT has expired
You can be fined up to £1000 for driving without a valid MOT
This vehicle may be MOT exempt, for more information refer to MOT exemption guidance”. So it seems that it is likely to always say the MoT has expired on the checker website

The MoT exemption guidance is a highlighted link, that when you click on it, it takes you to a copy of the V112. Which has the following on it.

Categories of vehicles that are exempt:
a Motor tractor.
b Track-laying vehicle.
c Articulated vehicle that is not a lorry or bus (including bendy buses).
d Works trucks.
e Invalid carriages weighing no more than 306kg
when unloaded.
f Vehicle used only to pass from land occupied by the person keeping the vehicle to other land occupied by them, and not travelling on the road for more than a total of 6 miles a week.
g Hackney carriage or private-hire vehicle licensed by local authorities authorised to check the roadworthiness of this vehicle.
h Hackney carriage licensed by Transport for London.
i Vehicle provided for police purposes and maintained in an approved workshop.
j Goods vehicle powered by electricity.
k Tram.
l Trolley vehicle that is not an auxiliary trolley vehicle (auxiliary trolley vehicles are vehicles that are adapted to run from power provided from a source on board).
m Vehicles authorised to be used on the road
by a Special Types General Order or a Vehicle Special Order, unless the order specifies otherwise.
n Vehicles used only on certain islands that do not have a bridge, tunnel, ford or other suitable way for motor vehicles to be conveniently driven to a road in any part of the UK. If so provide the name of the island in this box.
o Vehicles with a maximum design speed of less than 15.5 miles per hour.
p A vehicle constructed for gully or street cleansing or refuse disposal, which either:
• is a three-wheeled vehicle, or
• has an inside track width of less than
810 millimetres.
q (GB only) A public service vehicle having a date of manufacture before 1st January 1960 and which has not been substantially changed.
r (GB only) A vehicle other than a public service vehicle registered or manufactured 40 years ago and which has not been substantially changed in the last 30 years.
What does ‘substantially changed’ mean?
A vehicle where the technical characteristics of the main components have changed in the
last 30 years. These components (other than for motorcycles) are the chassis or monocoque bodyshell (including any sub-frames), engine and axle and running gear (alteration of the type and/or method of suspension or steering).
However, the following changes are not considered substantial:
• Chassis or monocoque bodyshell (including any subframes) – replacements of the same pattern as the original.
• Engine – alternative cubic capacities of the same basic engine and alternative original equipment engines (if the number of cylinders in an engine is different from the original it is unlikely to be alternative original equipment).
• Axles and running gear – changes made to improve efficiency, safety or environmental performance.
• Changes that are made to preserve a vehicle (must be when original type parts are no longer available).
• Changes of a type that have been made when the type of vehicle was in production or in general use (within ten years of the end of production).
• For vehicles that have been used as commercial vehicles, changes which were being made when they were used commercially.
Q-prefix, kit cars and reconstructed classic vehicles
The following vehicles (including motorcycles) are to be considered as substantially changed, unless they are taxed as an “historic vehicle” and have not been modified during the previous 30 years:
• A vehicle issued with a registration number with a ‘Q’ prefix.
• A kit car assembled from components from different makes and model of vehicle.
• A reconstructed classic vehicle as defined by DVLA guidance.
• A kit conversion, where a kit of new parts is added to an existing vehicle, or old parts are added to a kit of a manufactured body, chassis or monocoque bodyshell changing the general appearance of the vehicle.
Please see guidance available on www.gov.uk/government/consultations/ roadworthiness-testing-for-vehicles-of- historic-interest for further information.
 
I actually read through that entire list of exempt vehicles. Whilst we are not exactly surrounded by exempt vehicles, there are already a good number of vehicles in each of the named categories. It also confirms what I knew anecdotally about certain islands. I assume that all these exempt vehicles must be insured, but I would be surprised if some of the modern old-bangers left at the pier on Lismore could be considered as mechanically sound in the case of an accident. The likelihood, potential severity and implications for a personal-injury insurance claim against an MOT-exempt vehicle, for me are the most pertinent factors to weigh up after these charges to legislation.
 
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