General Recent Image of Your 500 Out in the Wild.

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General Recent Image of Your 500 Out in the Wild.

Is that Andy Dunn's old car? (from Nantwich). I met him a couple of times when he was restoring the car---real nice garage to work in on the car, plus a 'parts and workshop' building. Tried to contact him , but with no success, when I heard that he had lost the garage and was having to sell the car :cry:

It was Andy’s car yes. I’m still in touch with him on and off, and have promised to take it round (when we get a nice day and I’m confident it will get that far!!)
Think he is still in the same place after all.
Chris
 
Like those wide rims, are they modified or original? Who is the maker?

They are original Fergat wheels I managed to find from a car reclamation yard in Germany. I think they were a pretty rare upgrade back in the day as an alternative to the borrani wheels. I wanted to do something a bit different but in keeping with the original dates. Plus, I wasn’t going to pay £700 for a set of steel wheels!!!
 
Hi Chris;
Being that the chances of 'good weather' this side of the New Year are more than slim, may I suggest that if you come up sometime next spring, you contact me direct ([email protected]), trail the car up to this part of the world, stay at our house, which is just outside Chester and only about 28 miles from Andy's house, and then we BOTH go over to his house in our respective cars. it's a quite pleasant drive, on good 'A' (non-dual-carriageway) roads. (y):)
 
Not really the 'wilds' but here's a couple of pics of the 4 bambinas we managed to rustle up for the Whanganui Christmas Parade.

Tim
 

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I though I'd introduce the Forum to the world of Exclusive RHD cars..



a brief description, as I appreciate as many may have seen photos but are unaware the the detailed specification...

Vehicle Direction Control:
Firstly you will observe the Control wheel often referred to as the "steering wheel" located on the right hand side, hence RHD as that is the side you sit inside the vehicle, behind the Instrument panel when controlling it's forward propulsion...
Vehicle Entry/Exit
Next carefully observe the door opening device towards the front of the vehicle door (the door handle), this type of opening is often referred to as a "Suicide door", this design is rumored to have come from the original Horse drawn carriages as it made it easier to get into the carriage as they were higher up with the door in this position... Later with the advent of Horseless carriages this was carried over and gained the name for several possible reasons, if the lock was not closed correctly sharp turns could result in a door opening and a passenger or possibly drive falling out due to the lack of a "Restraint Harness" or now known as a "seat belt" the associated injuries possible caused by the following vehicle rendering the person "dead", another possible reason for the term is... if the vehicle had come to a halt and the passenger/drivers alighted from the motor vehicle... any traffic performing an "over taking maneuver" could actually hit the opening door and unlike modern vehicle fitted with "Super Safety" doors this action could actually close the door on the exiting occupant and potentially cause life threatening injuries....
Vehicle Ventilation
In order to minimize the cost to prospective purchaser, the designer dispensed with the ability to raise or lower the side windows, this not only saved the costly fitment of such a mechanism, but also removed a production operation from the Interior door trim panel, as no hole had to be cut/punch for the operation handle, thus saving at least 5 Lira. The forward 1/2 windows still were functioning and allowed a slight breeze in the Continental temperatures to flow through the vehicle whilst being driven, however the greatest saving was the incorporation of a full opening roof mounted Air Ventilation device, often referred to as a sun roof. The Device was revolutionary as it rolled completely back allowing the front occupants and the Bambinos sitting on the rear luggage shelf to experience the full Baking heat of the Continental afternoons. However its major advantage was, the Vinyl fabric was much cheaper than the metal pressing to produce and with the opening and closing and heat would require future replacement at a greater cost than the shorter Air Ventilation device would be required
Fancy Embellishments
Further savings were made by the removal of such unnecessary embellishments as side aluminum trims and even the rear badge, it seems the front storage cover (Bonnet) retained this trim to give the car an air of luxury and class... however it was hoped that the removal of these items and the replacement of the heavy metal roof would also produce some reduction in the consumption by the propulsion device of the miracle essence known as Petrol, this would hopeful produce some gain as the essence retaining system (petrol tank would only hold 4 litres of this miracle fluid.

Other features, to save production costs and retooling, allowing components normally fitted to the Left Hand Steerer to be used, you will notice the Driver protection screen, in place to protect all occupants from insects flying to wards the vehicle, and to deflect the air that would be traveling at a considerable velocity towards the occupants, other wise know as a Wind Screen has a system to remove the aforementioned insects, the sweep of which is the same as the Left Hand Steerer vehicles, unlike later versions where the Fly Removal sweeps from left to right (all observations from a seated position within the vehicle).

Also to provide degree of safety and strength, the forward viewing driver protection device is smaller than later variants (those produced post 1965) to allow for the strength lost by having the luxury of a fully opening roof ventilation device.

Finally the rotational drive and direction actuators : "Wheels", are void of any trim either aluminum or later cheaper steel with a Chromium finish, and are simply painted, the added bonus if of course weight saving.

So before you is presented a rare RHD Fiat 500 N Ecconomica, such a classic in one of it's purist forms devoid all all superfluous garnishings, it's 479cc engine of 13bhp able to push it's slippery design to an imaginary 52 mph, what more could you ask for...

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It was snowing with us today too. ;)

That must be the best model of 500 to buy as there exists in that version the greatest potential to enhance its performance and value by adding the more sought-after later features, such as a 652 engine and alloy wheels. ;)
 
It was snowing with us today too. ;)

That must be the best model of 500 to buy as there exists in that version the greatest potential to enhance its performance and value by adding the more sought-after later features, such as a 652 engine and alloy wheels. ;)

Old picture lol...
It does have so much potential.....
however it is currently riding on really nice 125 tyres, with a 650 engine mated to a late N Gear box with 17mm drive shafts..
Now if you want excitement try that combination as even the 479 can snap shafts, and the N box is much weaker so you really have to be careful what applying 1/4 throttle that the whole lot does not go ping or Crunch Crunch... "Where's drive gone"
I've pushed it to almost 35mph on a straight road over about 3 miles..
I may yet post a picture of the concrete modified LHD Ecconomica
 
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Mein Trusty rusty.

Here we have Old Rusty...
Or "mein rostiges italienisches Auto"
a quaint little vehicle purchased by accident on Ebay.de
a 1960 fiat 500 N Ecconomica of the more Common LHD variety...
The story goes, "no one is going to let this be brought for princely sum"
Well it was and it became mine .. so a little diversion through Germany on the way to Italy and on the way back saw Rusty collected and returned to the UK.... Along the way little bits of body work started to disappear....
But back home the assessment can begin...
Ohh wow it has a very rare funny radio..


It had an amazing repaint .. nothing masked off possibly red paint applied by a roller over the rubbers etc.... obviously some German modification to improve sealing
and to compliment it the under bonnet was painted Green... is that paint??....
OK well.. yes Rust..
Then on examination of the front behind the rear panel revealed that handling aid, a concreted filling of the lower part of the front well under the spare tyre and battery.. obviously to even out the weight of the rear engine and prevent too much tail sliding....


Rust that may challenge Sean... Rust in the Pedal area of the bulkhead... Ohhhhh Think I will leave rusty for a while..

Well someone has to love these old heaps....
 
there are more to come...

we have
1) did they really remove both floor pans and the sills at the same time?
is that why the door apertures are funny shapes, that are different to the door shape and the front end seems to be pointing to the left slightly meaning one door aperture is bigger than the other, but the headlights illuminate the footpath better. The ones held in place with Silicon... so no fine adjustments there to the beam.
But it is a RHD Matching numbers car with a short sun roof and window winders.

the star restoration project of the collection...
2) "How much rust can you replace with a single sheet of 8x4 1.5mm steel with the minimum number of cuts"? Well all of the underneath apparently.. if you ever saw the Jeremy Clarkson thing in Cuba where they made a wing out of an old Oil drum, that was quality compared to this restoration.. I am not sure but possibly the outer sills are the "turned up " edges of the sheet and folded and covered in filler for the shaping process. No need for any of that pointless hammering or delicate folding to get the shape, simply entrust it to a Plaster cast sculptor. Not worked out how many layers of paint.. but it was originally a shade of white and have been various shades of blue and even gold... all serving to protect some of the upper bodywork, shame they didn't put any underneath Also referred to as they saw you coming when you brought that... there is more flat steel than original car. but one of the oldest known RHD cars so worth saving.

3) and finally "You paid how much??? .. there's only 1/2 a car, there is no roof no doors and you say the seats should be covered in wood"
or "how to settle a Divorce (not mine) because of a Jolly, I've sold all the bits of rubbish you left in the garage (that being engine, gearbox and lots of other parts)"
Luckily when I acquired it many had been located and repurchased...
But with the lack of another original in the UK it's very hard to source everything or get things made as there are no patterns.

Now all this may seem like an expensive collection.. but purchases started from £800, just getting in before the market went mad, I bet quite a few people can remember buying and selling these old cars for a lot less... and I class them as a bit of my Pension fund "Remember investments can go up as well as down...".

But i may actually sell up so the ability to own an exclusive RHD car may become available, or a very rusty LHD one

I think a thread
"The worst or most scary botches you have found on a 500"
A shocking one a mate found but not on a Fiat was an almost stripped front hub nut... with Plumbers ptfe wrapped round it to give the nut some bite when tightening.
 
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Old picture lol...
It does have so much potential.....
however it is currently riding on really nice 125 tyres, with a 650 engine mated to a late N Gear box with 17mm drive shafts..
Now if you want excitement try that combination as even the 479 can snap shafts, and the N box is much weaker so you really have to be careful what applying 1/4 throttle that the whole lot does not go ping or Crunch Crunch... "Where's drive gone"
I've pushed it to almost 35mph on a straight road over about 3 miles..
I may yet post a picture of the concrete modified LHD Ecconomica
Hence why I do not want to fit those to my D...
 
Someone has been bored whilst I have been sleeping!
Great to finally see some photos of the "Chosen ones"


I'm glad I'm not the only one who bought a monster or two.


It would be great if the likes of you and Tom got together with all your knowledge of these little cars and created a book to detail all the changes made over the years.


Its sad to think that all those details will be lost as time goes on. In thirty years time when 500's are still being found and restored, who's going to be pointing out all the errors they have made.
Well you probably will if you haven't been taken out by the Russians!
 
That's a good point about the detailed spec. history and it being lodged in a few obsessive brains. But that's a possible benefit of this forum. If more people put down their knowledge of the minutiae as well as asking and answering questions we will all benefit. That's in addition to the enjoyment some of us get from discussing irrelevant detail such as internal door handle inclination.
I think that all BigV's cars are delightful and that lack of gloss and glamour is great. I also admire that, for such a knowledgeable pedant (meant nicely) of the early cars in particular, it's good to be able to accept that you can get use out of a 500 even when it's not detail-perfect and original spec.
 
:ROFLMAO: that would imply that he uses them!


Ahem...good point!

I am pretty sure two of them are unusable but if we get together and pool our resources, I'm sure we could give him a nice "Classic Car Rescue" style surprise for Christmas.
Damn:bang: I forgot...he'll be reading this...cancel the aforementioned idea.:D:D:D


PS. I bet those cars see the light of day as much as most Fiat 500's do.:D
 
:ROFLMAO: that would imply that he uses them!

they make great storage.. in one I have spare seats and few misc engine parts, another has a couple of engines.

The Blue N, had a slight accident with a stone and a light, and has taken till the end of the summer to locate a matching one... meanwhile some corrosion (of all things) was discovered previously in the foot wells caused by a water bottle left there, an so not wanting a full floor replacement I removed these parts and was in the process of welding new ones in when other events over took.

However all should be sorted for next spring... Ohh my cars live outside in a garage with no roof!! that's how tough these old ones are... they don't corrode away at the first sign of a spot of rain.... so they see a lot of day light!

Also I note that mileage and usage are a hot topic...
well as these older ones cannot compete on the speed front I will be fitting one of these:



based on the time taken to get to the destination... a distance of 10 miles in an early car is equivalent to about 30 miles in one of these modern post 65 500s,

I think it could also be appropriate for others..
I guess Sean would have his saying 1h a year :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
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