General Generator to alternator conversion

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Generator (dynamo) to alternator conversion

I've searched the forums and it seems that no one has asked this question, so I'm not needlessly rehashing old information.

What I'd like to know is if anyone has converted the DC generator (dynamo) in the 500s to a more modern AC alternator? If so, were there any difficulties getting parts?

Thanks,
Chris
 
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Im sure people have done the conversion, and im guessing parts wouldnt be too hard to find - all im not sure about is if theres a difference in the tin work and fan that the alternator/dynamo bolt to:confused:
 
I stripped and cleaned the generator. The commutator/armature was in good nick as were the field windings. Both checked out with normal resistances. I fitted two new bearings and a set of brushes and bench tested it as a 12V motor. At 1500rpm it pulled 5A - all good.
The regulator is also fine.
For the moment I'll refit it and investigate the alternator conversion if and when I fit a 126 engine/drivetrain.
Chris
 
Maybe the 'if it aint broke dont fix it' motto comes in

That is my usual mantra. In this case however, the pulley bearing was very noisy and obviously worn so a rebuild was in order. Both bearings were original (~40 years old) and the brushes were about worn to the mounts. It's performing like a new one now and hopefully should see out another 40 years.

I've also replaced the brushes in the starter as they were quite worn as well.

I may as well do all of this while the car is in bits.

Chris
 
When I reinstalled the original engine, I left it wired up with the rebuilt generator. After completing the 695cc upgrade, I rebuilt the alternator (new bearings, brushes and voltage regulator) and wired it in when I installed the engine.

The alternator has a slightly different engine mount and also different cowling mounting so it would be tricky to install one on a standard 500cc engine without modification. As my 695 was based on a 650cc engine, I could use the cowling and mounts without modification.

From a general perspective, a generator (or dynamo) produces a DC current that increases with the frequency of rotation of the armature. Voltage regulation occurs when a relay switches the electromagnet in the stator on and off. They are simple devices but have the disadvantage of a relatively limited power output (due to heat generation) and a zero charge rate at low revolutions. On the other hand an alternator produces AC current from very low revs. The voltage is rectified to produce a DC signal and as before, the regulator varies the current to the stator in order to vary the output voltage. The advantage of the solid state regulators is that they have a range of regulation and are not on/off devices like the relays. Alternators therefore charge at low revs and are usually high capacity devices so you can run more electrical gizmos in your car.

The electrical conversion was not difficult.

In my car, the standard generator setup had a thick brown wire from the starter and battery connected to post #30 on the regulator where it picked up a red wire from the starter switch & fusebox. The thinner brown wire connected to the +ve on the generator ran back to post #51 on the regulator where a green wire from the warning light was also connected. The final connection was a black wire from post #67 on the regulator to the generator casing and earth.

As I wanted to keep the look of the engine bay, I stripped the interior of the regulator and used what remained as 3 separate binding posts.

The alternator has a brown wire from the B+ terminal going back to join the red 12V line from the battery, starter motor and starter switch. these all connect together on the centre binding post. The green wire from the warning light was connected directly to the voltage regulator. The alternator and regulator were grounded through the case using the engine crankcase and strap to the chassis.

Between an idle of 800rpm to about 4000rpm, the output to the battery varies between 13.8V to 14.2V, which is just about right.

I've attached a few photos.

Regards,
Chris
 

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i converted my bike from 6v to 12v. made a hell of a difference. that was old dyno tech.
before the headlight was like a cigarette nub end.. now its like i have the power of the sun!
only problem is, on a 50cc bike the engine dont half know about it when you have all the lights on heh you loose 5mph top end speed, and thats only about 35mph lol
joys of vintage motoring lol
 
i converted my bike from 6v to 12v. made a hell of a difference. that was old dyno tech.
before the headlight was like a cigarette nub end.. now its like i have the power of the sun!
only problem is, on a 50cc bike the engine dont half know about it when you have all the lights on heh you loose 5mph top end speed, and thats only about 35mph lol
joys of vintage motoring lol

50cc Vespa??

I have been thinking about doing the same thing to my 97 Vespa 50cc.
 
Done - 123ignition. No more points, starts easily hot or cold and idles well. A recommended conversion, though expensive.

Chris

Do you need to convert to an alternator system to use the 123ignition?

My has been having misfires once every 60 seconds or so when idling after it warms up.
 
Do you need to convert to an alternator system to use the 123ignition?

My has been having misfires once every 60 seconds or so when idling after it warms up.

No - the 123ignition distributor completely replaces the old distributor or you can just replace the upper part with a 123 module and use the normal distributor bevel drive. I did the latter as it was a bit cheaper.

The alternator/generator is part of the charging circuit and whilst an integral part of the electrical system it is functionally separate from the ignition system.

Chris
 
Bambino, you think this could help solve my misfire (hiccup) problem?

No - the 123ignition distributor completely replaces the old distributor or you can just replace the upper part with a 123 module and use the normal distributor bevel drive. I did the latter as it was a bit cheaper.

The alternator/generator is part of the charging circuit and whilst an integral part of the electrical system it is functionally separate from the ignition system.

Chris
 
Can anyone describe what is the physical difference on the section of cowling on which the alternator or dynamo attach? I had presumed it would be easy to retrofit a dynamo on a 650 but perhaps that is not the case?
 
Re: Generator (dynamo) to alternator conversion

The mounting studs are in a different orientation from memory
I have a set of dynamo cowling's that I have no use for if it helps....
 
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