churp
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Hi all,
Having some engine troubles with my '81 FI 2000 Spider. I'll try and keep the narrative as short as I can, but I want to make sure I include all relevant details:
I bought the car this past November in decent condition. Odo reads about 83k, but I think the engine was rebuilt about a year and a half ago. My stick shift skills were in their infancy at that point, so I probably stalled it about 10-12 times just trying to get it back to my house. Finally, while trying to get out of a parking lot, my Spider refused to start. The lady I bought it from came by to take a look and thought the engine might be flooded. A good Samaritan who happened to be in the lot helped me get it started (took about 3 hours). I recall that he disconnected one of the distributor cables to test spark and we jumped the car to get it going. He fiddled around with a couple of fuses, as well.
After that, the Spider had difficulty starting unless the gas pedal was floored while it was cranking. I started to notice a rich exhaust smell coming into the cockpit, which at times was unbearable (didn't see any smoke, though). I noticed the #3 spark plug was loose, loose enough for me to turn it in by hand. While this was happening, the car would occasionally misfire while idling at ~1000 RPM and would sometimes die unless I gave it gas. This usually went away when the engine heated up, but the last time I drove it around (about 3 weeks ago) I had to keep it around 2,500 RPM so it wouldn't die. The exhaust scent persisted throughout all this.
I bought a new set of plugs - turns out the loose #3 was missing a washer. First, I replaced the #3 with a new one - that didn't work, car didn't start. Put the old #3 back in and the car started and idled, albeit very roughly.
As far as gapping goes - the recommended gap is .27-.31 (apologies for missing a decimal point or two), but I noticed the old plugs were gapped at .40. I gapped the new plugs as close to .40 as I could (they're probably at .35).
I then took all the old plugs out and put the new ones in. The car didn't start - it will crank 2-3 times and then just click. Tried jumping it to see if it was a battery issue - same result. At this point, my next move is to put the old plugs back in and torque in the #3, just as soon as I can get the hood open, which has now seemingly locked shut
Any ideas as to what's going on? I don't recall the exhaust smell when I bought the car and first drove it around, and I never had to depress the throttle while cranking the engine the first night I drove it home. It sounds a bit different than it did then, too. Fuel pump and filter are new as of Oct. 2010, and according to the previous owner the fuel tank was also re-lined. Is this a spark issue, or did I perhaps have an exhaust leak? I suspected spark because I blew a plug on an old Honda CRX a couple years ago and had the same horrible exhaust smell come into my car (not to mention the motorcycle-ish noise).
Again - apologies if the post was a bit longwinded, just wanted to make sure I got all the relevant info in there. Any help is mucho appreciated - I want to get this little car running again.
Having some engine troubles with my '81 FI 2000 Spider. I'll try and keep the narrative as short as I can, but I want to make sure I include all relevant details:
I bought the car this past November in decent condition. Odo reads about 83k, but I think the engine was rebuilt about a year and a half ago. My stick shift skills were in their infancy at that point, so I probably stalled it about 10-12 times just trying to get it back to my house. Finally, while trying to get out of a parking lot, my Spider refused to start. The lady I bought it from came by to take a look and thought the engine might be flooded. A good Samaritan who happened to be in the lot helped me get it started (took about 3 hours). I recall that he disconnected one of the distributor cables to test spark and we jumped the car to get it going. He fiddled around with a couple of fuses, as well.
After that, the Spider had difficulty starting unless the gas pedal was floored while it was cranking. I started to notice a rich exhaust smell coming into the cockpit, which at times was unbearable (didn't see any smoke, though). I noticed the #3 spark plug was loose, loose enough for me to turn it in by hand. While this was happening, the car would occasionally misfire while idling at ~1000 RPM and would sometimes die unless I gave it gas. This usually went away when the engine heated up, but the last time I drove it around (about 3 weeks ago) I had to keep it around 2,500 RPM so it wouldn't die. The exhaust scent persisted throughout all this.
I bought a new set of plugs - turns out the loose #3 was missing a washer. First, I replaced the #3 with a new one - that didn't work, car didn't start. Put the old #3 back in and the car started and idled, albeit very roughly.
As far as gapping goes - the recommended gap is .27-.31 (apologies for missing a decimal point or two), but I noticed the old plugs were gapped at .40. I gapped the new plugs as close to .40 as I could (they're probably at .35).
I then took all the old plugs out and put the new ones in. The car didn't start - it will crank 2-3 times and then just click. Tried jumping it to see if it was a battery issue - same result. At this point, my next move is to put the old plugs back in and torque in the #3, just as soon as I can get the hood open, which has now seemingly locked shut
Any ideas as to what's going on? I don't recall the exhaust smell when I bought the car and first drove it around, and I never had to depress the throttle while cranking the engine the first night I drove it home. It sounds a bit different than it did then, too. Fuel pump and filter are new as of Oct. 2010, and according to the previous owner the fuel tank was also re-lined. Is this a spark issue, or did I perhaps have an exhaust leak? I suspected spark because I blew a plug on an old Honda CRX a couple years ago and had the same horrible exhaust smell come into my car (not to mention the motorcycle-ish noise).
Again - apologies if the post was a bit longwinded, just wanted to make sure I got all the relevant info in there. Any help is mucho appreciated - I want to get this little car running again.