General How can I increase the power of a 45 S

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General How can I increase the power of a 45 S

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how can i increase the power of my 45S without costing a fortune ??
Is changing the air filter to a K&N improve power ?? to what extent ??

Mine is a carburetted 999cc engine, FIRE.

I have some NGK plugs lying around, should i use them ?? any improvements that way ??

45 bhp is too little to drive !:(
 
I am not sure but it is said that, new camshaft, K&N conical air filter element and NGK plugs ( BP8EV ) give something more power to the car. Other say that the K&N element for example gives just heavier noise, others try to prove that cleaner cold air gives almost 6kw. Which sources to belive I don't know. NGK plugs I should use too on my one one day.
I have UT and 45S Unos. This 45 hps isn't that few :)
 
Take yer sub out, that's probably 15kgs difference, with a car that weighs just over 700kg, that can make ad ifference.

Free flowing 2" all the way exhaust system will give you around 5bhp increase with the correct air intake filter. Decoke the engine using Redex or something like that, fill her with Shell Optimax (98 rating instead of 97 for normal high octane petrol). Make sure the tyres are all inflated correctly, for underinflation by 2-3psi on each corner could add up to a second lost in the 0-60. remember that the peak BHP would be at 5-5.5k rpm, might want to get a Tacho because you could feel as though the engine's straining itself at 4k rpm when it hasn't even hit the 45bhp mark then.

Also, when the choke was out on my dad's, the car SEEMED to be slightly more spritely due to a denser fuel/air ratio, but I could be wrong...

Increasing the compression will really change the characteristic of the engine. Send your head off to a machinist who could do this for you.
 
Just leave it mate n import everything that will turn it into a turbo :devil:

Im pretty sure alot of people can help you out doing a 45-to-turbo conversion
 
the streets of mumbais burbs are rough, perfect for the high rise suspension of the uno, the engines a willing screamer, and thrives on being worked hard, and thrashed to an rpm of the redline, use that, believe me a turbo conversion out there will be a waste of time, my sister in law has a friend in pune, who has created a mini monster padmini with carbs and cam work that sounds like the apocalypse and goes like the clappers!
 
Well...

Taking out the sub is not an option for me, as well as the turbo conversion !!
I could well buy a honda or lancer for that much and keep my uno standard :p ...

Will try to get a K&N air filter, the standard one costs around 3500 Rs here (That's 1/10the the purchase price of the car )!! Wonder that's too much !!

And a free flowing exhaust for an uno !! Hmm...really need some dense pockets for that..well i will try to figure one decent enough...
Well I doubt my NGK plugs are the same number , but is it posssible to use te ones I have by adjusting the gap ??Any other advises from seniors or are they exclusively into turbo uno's only:( ????
 
prem the problem is the base you have to work with, initially you'll get some small increases for modest outlay, but to get more, you'll have to dig deep, and it becomes economically unviable, its not just the engine you have to upgrade, suspension and braking play their part too.

theres plenty of advice for you, just depends what your commitment is(y)
 
Do not expect any miracles from just changing the brand of the spark plugs. When the spark plug change was due, I tried different makes - Bosch, NGK, Brisk (local brand) and Beru spark plugs just to see what it does.
The difference was negligible, if any at all.
 
You CAN increase the power of a carb fed 999cc FIRE engine, but forget about boy racer air filters and spark plugs.

Cheapest way is to do what Dragyth said and make sure the car is running at its optimum. Spark plugs correctly gapped and in good condition, plug leads good condition along with distributor cap and rotor arm. Timing set correctly, carburetor clean and set correctly.

Also make sure the brakes aren't binding, the tracking is set correctly and the tyre pressures are equal and within specification.

With many neglected cars, doing the above can release quite a few horses and bring up the power to the level it should be! That alone can make the car quicker than it was.

To increase power over standard, the simplest mod is to fit a Punto 75 camshaft. The standard 999cc camshaft is very restrictive, the Punto 75 has much higher lift and duration. Fitting this, so I've been told, will lift the power by at least 10 bhp! Fitting a twin choke Weber carburetor will also add to this figure, but you will need an adaptor plate made up. After these mods, a full flow exhaust system would allow the engine to breath better, and only then should you even think about fitting an aftermarket air filter.

However, the Punto 75 camshaft doesn't have the lobe to drive the mechanical fuel pump so you'll have to plumb in an electric pump instead.

Not knowing what available engines are available in India, over in the UK the easiest way to gain more power is to fit a Punto 60 engine (virtually a straight swap). This will also run with the standard 999cc 32 TLF Weber carburetor with re-jetting.

The simplest way to bump up the power of the 999cc FIRE then is to fit the camshaft from the Punto 75. Everything else can stay standard and you'll have a healthy increase in power. Any other mods will only give small increases if any.

And the standard spark plugs and air filter in good condition will be just as good as the 'performance' items. They won't give you any extra power unless your originals were knackered.

There are more mods that involve fitting MPI injection systems and engines such as the Punto 85 16 valve, doing a Van Aaken turbo conversion or going the whole hog and fitting the engine, drivetrain and suspension from a Uno turbo. It all depends on how much you want to spend.

Good luck!
 
Or you can fit the cam shaft from an Uno 60 (1108cc). We did some sums and figured that the cam shaft must be better since from 999cc to 1108cc you are going up 10% in engine capacity will gaining 33% more power (also fit the carb from the 60). Or better still just fit the entire engine. You gain 33% on power while gaining stuff all weight (y) and the fuel economy is practically the same.

I also have to agree with Chas, if the car is setup correctly ie wheels all pointing in the right direction, brakes not sticking, right size wheels and tires etc you will notice a significant performance gain and the car will be nicer to drive.


As a foot note, you will notice from my signature that I have done the exact same modification to my Uno that I am recommending you do to yours and its very good (also came with a 5-speed gearbox).
 
jjhepburn said:
As a foot note, you will notice from my signature that I have done the exact same modification to my Uno that I am recommending you do to yours and its very good (also came with a 5-speed gearbox).

...and it didn't cost much, did it? ;)

I think Chas summarised all the points brilliantly.
Do you have the Palio in India? I understand that has a compatible engine with quite a bit more power.

-Alex
 
jjhepburn said:
Or you can fit the cam shaft from an Uno 60 (1108cc). We did some sums and figured that the cam shaft must be better since from 999cc to 1108cc you are going up 10% in engine capacity will gaining 33% more power (also fit the carb from the 60). Or better still just fit the entire engine. You gain 33% on power while gaining stuff all weight (y) and the fuel economy is practically the same.

Interesting that. I was told that the heads and camshafts on the Uno 45, Punto 55 and Punto 60 were the same. Without the cam timing figures (lift and duration) it's difficult to say for sure.

The single choke 60 carb (on the 1108cc engines) is exactly the same as the 45 999cc engines. Also, though it's called a Uno 60 I think it actually only puts out 54 bhp. The earlier 1116cc engine with a Weber twin carb puts out 58 bhp. Only a few jets are different between the 999cc and 1108cc carbs. Therefore you can use the 45 carb and just change some of the jets to bring it up to 60 spec. Check the Haynes manual and you'll see the specifications for both 45 and 60 models.

Another thing worth noting is that the early 999cc FIRES (pre '87 roughly) had a slightly higher compression ratio than the later 999cc engines. This was achieved by the cylinder head having slightly smaller combustion chambers.

The key to liberating extra power on the small FIRE engines is to change the camshaft. The original design was meant for low down torque and economy, something it achieved very well! But the camshaft stops the engine from breathing at higher revs, which is why with the 999cc engines you don't really gain anything from revving much beyond 5000rpm. Maximum torque is way down at 2750 rpm so this is where you actually want the engine to be to get the best out of it. A higher lift camshaft will allow the engine to breathe better and will allow the engine to produce more power at higher revs. You will lose some torque at the bottom end though, but should still have a very tractable and nice engine to drive with.

Another thing, the Panda 4x4 (classic Panda) had 50 bhp from its 999cc engine compared with 45 bhp from the Uno and the standard Pandas. Again, this was achieved by having a different camshaft so if you can find a 4x4 Panda camshaft you will instantly gain 5bhp!

If I get the time and money I want to go the 1242 Punto 60 engine route and fit the camshaft from the Punto 75. The Punto 75 engine will physically fit (and has larger valves and inlet tracts in the head), BUT the inlet manifold stud spacing is totally different from the 60 engine due to the MPI system. The manifold from the carb FIRES will not fit unfortunately, and the 75 manifold is a 'dry' design that is not meant to have fuel entering from the throttle body area.

So there are many options available to uprate a 999cc Uno. Who's going to try and make a little road rocket out of their FIRE engine then?!!!!!!
 
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i used a full supersprint system/manifold k&n bolt on custom air intake from grill and tarox discs/drums, mates r19 16v needed a mile straight to get past and would normally be able to get back past on breaking, was told next sensible step was to fit punto 75 engine using uno carb re-jeted and inlet manifold which would produce over 80bhp and keep decent fuel economy
 
:devil: Hellow all:

Well..I am yet to see a punto in my life (apart from web:) )So that option is unavilable...

Alex :: YES ! Palio's are the newest FIATS's in India apart from some odd peta/siena's...

Even then, an engine from a palio is still unavailable !! I have to get one from a scrapyard somehow :: (we dont have scrapyards here, but some kind of car breakers !!:D ) They can stole a new car and bring that engine to my car straight :eek: :eek: --Well that's gonna get all the police in the country after me !!:devil: -- No--Not really-- This is India, and we can do anything..Put a new engine and just put the old engine numbers on the new engine !!!:idea:

seems funny ??

Well I'm gonna make my engine straight first, by tuning, overhauling and repairing faulty vaccun advances etc...after that, I will do as you all are kind to advise ..Will update ya all shorlty..Am in the process of finding a palio engine, but i think i may need lots of other parts from the palio apart from engine >>?:confused:
 
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toad101 said:
i used a full supersprint system/manifold k&n bolt on custom air intake from grill and tarox discs/drums, mates r19 16v needed a mile straight to get past and would normally be able to get back past on breaking, was told next sensible step was to fit punto 75 engine using uno carb re-jeted and inlet manifold which would produce over 80bhp and keep decent fuel economy

Unless you have Uno Turbo, a Renault 19 16v would leave any non turbo Uno for dead. It was regarded as one of the best hot hatches in the early 1990's according to many magazine reviews.

Check out its performance figures:

The gear ratios were also revised to allow for the extra weight found in the safety equipment the later models carried. 0-60 mph acceleration times were in the region of 8.2 seconds and boasted 137 bhp; an impressive feat for a 1.8 litre normally aspirated engine in a reasonably priced small family car of its day. The 19 laid the foundations, along with the Renault 5 GT Turbo, for the Renault Sport department of the company, which develops high-performance tuned versions of standard Renault cars.

Full details of the model can be found here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_19

Even the Van Aaken Cinquecento turbo conversion only puts out around 105 bhp from an 1108cc FIRE, which is still miles behind the Renaults 137 bhp.

Either your mate wasn't trying or his car is seriously down on power...
 
electricmice said:
Found this http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Turbo-Punto-S...7QQihZ011QQcategoryZ72205QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem and thought of this thread. It won't be as simple as bolting it on but it's an idea..........................M.

Nice find! There's something appealing about the idea...
Q: When is an Uno Turbo not an Uno Turbo?
A: When it's an Uno, with a Turbo.

Very cool.
I particularly liked the bit about the 'fuel cut defender', to stop the ECU from shutting down when it "sees boost". Of course, the designers of the standard program would not generally have expected manifold vacuum to become pressure... :)

So to make this work, you'd need:
- Fuel injected FIRE motor
- Bigger fuel injectors?
- Engine management computer
- Custom exhaust plumbing
...anything else?


-Alex
 
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