Technical Uno Turbo Brakes

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Technical Uno Turbo Brakes

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Hello peopz, i just wanted to ask for advice on brake upgrades for the mark 2 uno turbo. Mine are standard at the mo and they dont feel as responsive as the standard brakes in my mark 4 1.4 golf!!!
One of the things i love about my golf is being able to brake later but cant risk doing this in the uno turbo lol So i wanted to ask anybody if they can recommend me some good brake upgrades for the uno turbo. I been told that most fiats have crappy brakes as standard but that was from a veedub owner lol so dont know if thats true either. What you reckon people?

F R O $ T Y
 
Ive seen quite a few unos on the net that have listed an integrale brake conversion as a mod.

Im not sure how easy this would be though.
 
I don't know offhand of any known brake upgrades for the Turbo, but there are plenty of aftermarket parts available.

If it's stopping power you're after Fro$ty, then the most important part(s) you will need are better brake calipers. Wilwood do reasonably priced 4 pot calipers, but I don't know if any of them are suitable for a Uno.

Often overlooked is the master cylinder. Bigger calipers sometimes need more fluid pushed into them, so a master cylinder upgrade is also worth looking into.

The biggest myth is that fitting grooved or drilled brake discs make better brakes. On their own they don't. In fact, they're often no better than a good pair of vented discs.

What is important is the clamping power of the calipers, also how good the brake pads are themselves and how much of the disc 'swept' area they contact with. Sometimes putting on some quality brake pads can improve braking significantly without changing anything else. The same can be said for just changing the brake fluid, as often it's old and contaminated with moisture and affects the efficiency of the brakes.

But, unless it's for track use only, steer clear from race pads. They only work properly when they are warmed up, and in normal driving that often doesn't happen. Until race pads have heated up the braking is WORSE than normal pads!

A good idea for a possible direct swap is to look at brakes fitted to larger Fiats. Often one manufacturer (eg Fiat) will make brakes to a similar design though they are fitted to different models throughout the range. The bigger brakes will have been designed to stop a larger and heavier car, so in the Uno they should give more powerful brakes.

So how about measuring up the brakes on a Tipo 16V Sedicionovalve? (Not sure if I spelt that right!) Also a possibilty are the brakes from a Strada Abarth 105/ 130TC, though these might be a bit hard to come by but I know they are of a very similar design to the Uno's brakes.

As ChrisUnoman mentioned, Lancia Integrale brakes might also fit. Also possible are brakes from some of the sporting Alfas, as both Lancia and Alfa are owned by Fiat.

What I think you'll be looking at is to get the whole hub assembly, caliper, caliper carrier and disc, and if you're lucky it might well bolt up to the Uno's strut and and lower suspension arm. The only way is to try. You might also need the brake master cylinder, and again you'll have to see if it will fit in place of the Uno's original.

I think in all the above cases though, you'll have to fit 14" wheels or bigger as the discs from all those models are too big to fit the 13" standard wheels. Though I suspect Fro$ty already has bigger wheels fitted so this shouldn't be a problem ;-)

Lastly, before spending large amounts of money on brake upgrades try a cheap'ish and simple upgrade:

Fit braided brake hoses, clean the pistons and sliders on the standard calipers, fit some good quality brake pads and flush through the system with new brake fluid. Quite often that alone will give a significant increase in braking simply by making the brakes work at the top level of their efficiency.

Also yes, compared with modern brakes the Uno does seem to be a bit lacking. But often that's simply because the brakes in modern cars have more powerful servos that reduce the amount of effort when you press the brake pedal, not necessarily because they have much better brakes!

I noticed this when I was given a loan car (a Fiat Punto) while my Uno was off the road. When I went back to my Uno it felt so weak in comparison, but stamping on the brakes would still lock the wheels so it was more a question of brake feel rather than less braking.

Whatever you decide, let us know how you get on Fro$ty. It would be good to find that there may well be a Fiat that has bigger brakes that can simply be swapped into the Uno!

Chas
 
Thank you for that answer Chas, very helpful. I'm gona try what you said about flushing the brake fluid and maybe get some new pads to begin with. I also wanted to ask you about braided brake hoses and how they help to improve performance? Can you tell me abit more about them please. and i guess you're right about brake feel on modern cars, i've never really thought about it in that way before. After all my VWs a 2002 plate and the unos a 1993 k reg. So hardly a fair comparison!

Thank you

F R O $ T Y
 
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F R O S T Y said:
Thank you for that answer Chas, very helpful. I'm gona try what you said about flushing the brake fluid and maybe get some new pads to begin with. I also wanted to ask you about braided brake hoses and how they help to improve performance? Can you tell me abit more about them please. and i guess you're right about brake feel on modern cars, i've never really thought about it in that way before. After all my VWs a 2002 plate and the unos a 1993 k reg. So hardly a fair comparison!

Thank you

F R O $ T Y

the braided hoses provide less flex therefor allowing more direct force being transmitted to the calipers
 
alright frosty mate.

i'm going for fiat coupe 20VT 4 pot brembo calipers with drilled/grooved discs and uprated pads. i'll also be running goodridge braided brake hoses. as soon as ive got em on i'll let you know how they perform but i'd imagine they are a "little" bit better than the standard UT brakes lol

i'm currently running EBC drilled and grooved discs and EBC green stuff pads which improved the braking alot, still using the satandard UT calipers.

hope this helps dude

Dunc
 
Dunc do you know any good places or websites to get me a decent set of brake pads and the goodridge braided brake hoses from that wont break the bank balance mate lol?? And you know the 20vT calipers do you need 16s to fit them? Cos i think Martin has those on FATUNO right???

oh and chrisunoman do you have anymore info on those integrale brake conversions or links to sites etc? Sounds interesting.

F R O $ T Y
 
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Was looking through a POTN (Boy Racer Catalouge, not sure where i got it from) and they do a 'Hi-Spec' conversion kit for any Uno (Since the mounting points are the same for the Uno & Uno Turbo.

It is a 300mm disc, with separate rotors, a pair of 4-pot calipers, and all mountings needed.

Cost was ~£570 + VAT

You would need 16" wheels as well, which from what i've heard needs a lot of work doing to the arches to fit onto an Uno.

Your better off fitting braided hoses, and a set of decent pads and discs.

I road rally a heavy old Mondeo and i have had the front discs glowing white hot on this thing all night long and the brakes always work fine never any fade. This is with Standard OEM parts, just remember to check your discs as well, as these can crack (done this before) which can lead to some dangerous situations.

Cheers

Matt Endean
 
Yeah, it comes down to how much money to spend, doesn't it?

I reckon Chas is onto the right idea. The standard brakes on the Uno Turbo seem A LOT better to me than the standard brakes on other Uno models. But yours have probably suffered years of salt spray! It's probably time to take the calipers off and clean up the pin sliders, replace the discs, and fit the EBC pads Dunc mentioned. Car Parts Direct (http://www.carparts-direct.co.uk/) supply cross-drilled and grooved Rossini discs which might be worth a look.

Maybe you should have the brakes tested on a roller-tester so that you know what sort of kg-force they are generating? We have these here for our WOF (MOT equivalent) and my Uno Turbo always gets good readings (about 300 front, 240 rear). Standard Uno tends to be 260 front, 100 rear.

-Alex
 
I dont want to spend too much money just yet, rather do the simple things first like chas has mentioned, Will do little things like new brake fluid, maybe EBC pads and Goodridge braided brake lines to begin with. And if that doesnt improve the braking than maybe get bigger calipers and cross drilled discs in the future.

F R O $ T Y
 
luke1985 said:
the braided hoses provide less flex therefor allowing more direct force being transmitted to the calipers

Luke is totally right here. Rubber hoses can bulge slightly under pressure, leading to a spongy brake feel and less responsive braking. Fitting braided hoses helps to overcome this and makes the brakes feel more responsive, plus needing less pressure for more braking.

Try the cheap mods first Fro$ty, as they might be sufficient to make your brakes feel and work a lot better. Or as AlexGS mentioned, see if you can go to somewhere like an MOT place and get the braking power measured on some rollers and compare the results with more modern vehicles. I think you might be surprised at how well your Uno brakes come out.

Chas
 
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