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Old 01-09-2006   #1
 
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As my uno is red and has them cluster in with the rev counter, I've decided to install red LED's instead of the normal lights. will post pics.
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Naaa, you just replace the green filter with a red one. I've done it on my car and it looks great. From memory I used red silicone caps on the lights after removing the green filter.

The filter is a bit tricky to remove as its under that white piece of plastic on top of the cluster. You need to pry that off with a screw driver (being careful not to break it coz its glued). Then once its off just glue it back down with nothing under it, then use the silicone caps.

Its well worth the effort as the red instruments look very cool.
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Re: Red cluster

removed the filter and installed the leds just need to get the right resistor tommorrow then I will post pics
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Will be interesting to see how the LEDs go because I would have thought they would be too directional.
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Re: Red cluster

Might have to post up a picture of my red instruments, made the way that jjhepburn suggested...

The needles are red, so red light is the most sensible colour. It's actually clearer than the standard green...

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Re: Red cluster

Coloured LEDs are rubbish IMO i used blue ones in my instrument cluster and i hate them, you cant see the fuel and temp gauges properly at night or the bottom half of the speedo even with a white dial kit, as they are too directional as JJhepburn rightly pointed out, Its better to just change the colour of the original filter, i just got some Light filter gel sheets which DJs use for their lights and i'm gona make a coloured filter outta that instead and use the original bulbs,
should be interesting i might go for red instead of the blue as my cars RED too

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Re: Red cluster

I like my oldskool kool bog standard luminescent green SX instrument pod And my funky retro 80's red LED roof mounted clock

Even better is my dashboard pod switches light up courtesy of a simple 12v bulb shining through fibre optics!

Think I'm going to keep them standard
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WOW a still working fibre optic system, those bulbs are a pain to replace and they only light up the switches sort of

The red is definitely the colour to go for because it looks kinda retro, and Ferraris light up red Blue used to be cool (when the PS2 came out), but then the rice boys got hold of the idea and now pretty much everything has a blue LED in it, so now its just tacky.

I have a mk1 turbo cluster which is lit in red, with LEDs lighting the pod switches (Red for everything except the rear fog and demister which are orange)
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Re: Red cluster

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WOW a still working fibre optic system, those bulbs are a pain to replace and they only light up the switches sort of
There's only one bulb (under the instrument pod) and it's easy to replace! The reason most mk1's don't have a working fibre optic system is because the bulb is on when the ignition is on and they burn out after a few years and no-one bothers to change them. Not much to go wrong with one bulb and a jumble of fibre optics, at least as long as you don't snap them

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The red is definitely the colour to go for because it looks kinda retro, and Ferraris light up red Blue used to be cool (when the PS2 came out), but then the rice boys got hold of the idea and now pretty much everything has a blue LED in it, so now its just tacky.
That's why I like my original green lit black dials. Everyone else has switched to white dial kits and red or blue lighting. Not many have green and back dials anymore, so that makes mine kind of unique

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I have a mk1 turbo cluster which is lit in red, with LEDs lighting the pod switches (Red for everything except the rear fog and demister which are orange)
I have a mk1 turbo instrument pod as well, except I've never fitted it. No point really, as the SX pod does everything I need it to and the turbo pod would have some non-functioning gauges and no econometer. Besides, a boost gauge in a bog standard 45S is kind of silly
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yeah, the problem with that bulb is that its got a special lens on it, which means you need to get the correct bulb when it blows...

As for the instrument cluster, I had the 45 cluster (no rev counter or temp gauge) and I like the look of the turbo one. Obviously some of the gauges don't work. But if I put the effort in I could get the oil temp and pressure gauges working as I have the sensors.

And I have figured out how to use the boost gauge as a radiator pressure gauge (gives early warning for a radiator failure), you attach it to the pipe that goes to the heater (but make sure you put a coolant catch tank in place and have everything above the water level coz I don’t think the gauge would appreciate being filled with coolant)... Now I just need to take the time to fit this mod

All other gauges work because I have a coolant temp sensor, and wiring up the tacko is easy.
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Re: Red cluster

mine looks excellent, got the very bright shining led's. will try to take pic with digital camera as my phone doesn't take a pic of the red.
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Re: Red cluster

Originally Posted by jjhepburn
yeah, the problem with that bulb is that its got a special lens on it, which means you need to get the correct bulb when it blows...
I just replaced it with a bog standard 12v bulb and it works fine. The original was also painted in translucent white, but a plain bulb works just as well and is much cheaper than buying the original from Fiat

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As for the instrument cluster, I had the 45 cluster (no rev counter or temp gauge) and I like the look of the turbo one. Obviously some of the gauges don't work. But if I put the effort in I could get the oil temp and pressure gauges working as I have the sensors.
If I didn't have the SX instruments I'd have fitted the Turbo ones instead. The SX comes with all the usual stuff (fuel/ temp gauges and all the warning lights) plus a tachometer. I also found that I could remove the lower middle blanking plate to the right of the fuel/ temp gauges and fit the econometer from the S instrument pod, and the printed circuit board for the SX has all the correct tracks to make it work without any modifications! So I have speedo, fuel, temperature, econometer and the tachometer

If I had the turbo gauges fitted I wouldn't be able to use the econometer and without the engine sensors the oil pressure/ temperature gauges wouldn't work. I was hoping that the turbo boost gauge could be connected up to the econometer vacuum pipe, but the econometer uses negative vacuum whilst the turbo uses positive so it wouldn't work However, the econometer does look like a boost gauge when driving - floor the throttle and the needle swings into the red

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And I have figured out how to use the boost gauge as a radiator pressure gauge (gives early warning for a radiator failure), you attach it to the pipe that goes to the heater (but make sure you put a coolant catch tank in place and have everything above the water level coz I don’t think the gauge would appreciate being filled with coolant)... Now I just need to take the time to fit this mod
I see you've been chatting to Alex

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All other gauges work because I have a coolant temp sensor, and wiring up the tacko is easy.
Yup, tacho needs one wire to the low tension side of the coil and that's it. Nice and simple!

And yes, the turbo instruments will bolt straight in and all the essentials will work. LouieBee (what's happend to him?) had a mk1 Bianca with turbo instruments, and they all worked except for the turbo specific items. I might try fitting my spare turbo instrument pod to mine when I get back to the UK to see what it looks like, but I do like the functional simplicity of the SX gauges

Edit: Picture of my mk1 SX instrument pod, complete with econometer (lower middle gauge)

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sorry, but my camera doesn't take a picture off the red.
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LouieBee (what's happend to him?) had a mk1 Bianca with turbo instruments, and they all worked except for the turbo specific items.
Louie is having an interesting time indeed, having moved to a new house and with bigger commitments on the way

I think the forum has rightly been de-prioritised for him, though I did see a post about his Mk2 Uno Turbo having been sold.

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Originally Posted by jjhepburn
Ferraris light up red
Huh, indeed? I always thought red dash light was very VW-esque.

According to a source I already forgot, there are reasons for the lighting being green.
a) Green is less stressful for the eyes than other colors and
(now comes the scientific bit)
b) The light temperature of a standard H4 halogen bulb is lower than that of a daylight, meaning the light is not white but yellow/orange. Orange and green are complementary colors, which makes them contrast, which in turn makes the dials more visible at night when you are forced to look into H4s of the traffic in opposite direction.
The fact that some cars have green dash lighting and day-glo orange indicators seems to be supporting the theory.
The disproportion between H4 and HID bulbs light temperature is also the reason why the HIDs are so unpleasant to look at at night when you drive a car with standard H4s.

Did somebody try to make the dash lighting adjustable? If so, what was the rating of a potentiometer used in ohms?
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