Technical Another Tipo!

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Technical Another Tipo!

Seems I'm back to square one again.. I changed the rocker cover gasket as it was weeping oil and now no start again! I'm baffled, petrol pump seems to be working ok as there is noise and power going to it also I took off the fuel feed pipe and a good stream of fuel is coming out. Maybe it's an ignition related issue now as the distributor cap looks ropey enough and I took off the main lead to the cap and had my son crank the engine, there was one spark then no more. All seems ver coincidental.. clearly this car is going to fight me every step of the way!
 
Been a while since I updated this. Still have the Tipo but due to illness, work other issues (not all in that order) I have had little time until now to do much further work to this.
Have removed the rear subframe to overhaul it as everything was worn out.
Painted the floor pan which was solid enough however as per the attached photos in behind the rear bumper was not as solid as I first thought and requires some surgery.
When normality resumes in the world I hope to get the rear subframe powder coated before refitting.
Its going to be far from perfect but hopefully a little more solid.
 

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w'hoa- major thread resurrection!

Great work, Stephen; the rear is often the bit people just don't think about; and as can be seen; 'all sorts of things' can be going on back there behind the bumpers.

Good spot; that you've managed to find this before it could have cost the car

Any good with the welding yourself..?
 
w'hoa- major thread resurrection!

Great work, Stephen; the rear is often the bit people just don't think about; and as can be seen; 'all sorts of things' can be going on back there behind the bumpers.

Good spot; that you've managed to find this before it could have cost the car

Any good with the welding yourself..?


Well the car never went away but I did!
Hopefully we will see some progress over the next few months.
Sills, floor pan (what I can see), inner wheel arches and every where from the spare wheel well forward looks good and I have wire brushed and rust treated it.
Unfortunately lots of fiddly welding required at the back and I would only be a very average welder, used to welding on heavier stuff.
We will see how it goes.
Doesn't help that steel suppliers etc. are not open with this covid-19 situation.
I have been making up rudimentary patches using old steel shelving.
Will take more photos later.
Have been looking at Jonti's posts for inspiration!
 
Few more photos.
One of the thankfully solid inner passenger side wheel arch, its counterpart on the opposite side is good too.
Another of the recently treated rear underside also some rust in the passenger side arch.
Unfortunately when removing the fuel tank a couple of years ago it dropped suddenly and pulled out the filler neck bracket!
 

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Well the car never went away but I did!
Hopefully we will see some progress over the next few months.
Sills, floor pan (what I can see), inner wheel arches and every where from the spare wheel well forward looks good and I have wire brushed and rust treated it.
Unfortunately lots of fiddly welding required at the back and I would only be a very average welder, used to welding on heavier stuff.
We will see how it goes.
Doesn't help that steel suppliers etc. are not open with this covid-19 situation.
I have been making up rudimentary patches using old steel shelving.
Will take more photos later.
Have been looking at Jonti's posts for inspiration!

Excellent news. As you are actually able to prop it on the designated jacking points by the looks of it, it is clearly in very good condition :eek: The old metal can blow holes, I was down to using 0.6 wire, although the floor is thicker, 1.2mm. Its a nice colour too, did you sort the fuel issue out? (doh the tank is missing anyway !).
 
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Excellent news. As you are actually able to prop it on the designated jacking points by the looks of it, it is clearly in very good condition :eek: The old metal can blow holes, I was down to using 0.6 wire, although the floor is thicker, 1.2mm. Its a nice colour too, did you sort the fuel issue out? (doh the tank is missing anyway !).


I won't consider it progress until I have some solid steel welded in!
I don't really have any facilities for complex fabrication of panels so it will be rough and ready.
Previously I patched up the lower drivers side rear bumper bracket but wasn't happy with what I had welded onto as I had created a rust trap so cut this out.
When welding this I share your point about blowing holes in the steel, the lower valance is like a wafer and I was causing more destruction with the welder than progress.
Hopefully will get something put together this weekend and take another shot at it.
Yes I had the fuel issue sorted and the car was running again before I stripped out the back end but that must be 2 years ago now so it might be painful getting it going again when the time comes.
Still buying parts to build up the back end, need to get tailing arm kits, the 4 subframe mounts and a brake pressure regulator.
I am hoping to get it powder coated before fitment but with our normal lives interrupted who knows when this will happen!
Also every solid brake line on the car is shot so there is more work to complete and that's before I even get near the front end and who knows there might be horrors lurking up there.
The body on the car while generally solid is quite tatty but unfortunately its going to have to live on as a bit of a rat look car!
Also have a complete sedicivalvole interior to fit as the original S trim seats certainly at the front are in bits.
 

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This is why I hate sunroofs! One of the advantages of working from home at the moment is no commute and being able to pop outside to break up the work day. Sunroof frame not in great shape at all.
 

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I won't consider it progress until I have some solid steel welded in!
I don't really have any facilities for complex fabrication of panels so it will be rough and ready.
When welding this I share your point about blowing holes in the steel, the lower valance is like a wafer and I was causing more destruction with the welder than progress.
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Cutting the valance off is theoretically an option as it serves no structural purpose other than to promote decay. The Stilo doesn't have one. However I noticed my bumper vibrating like a jelly without the lower supports when the engine was running, not a good look :eek: If you've got some old board you can cut out hammer-forms and bash the metal with a hammer, but you may take the view that life is hard enough already!
 
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Cutting the valance off is theoretically an option as it serves no structural purpose other than to promote decay. The Stilo doesn't have one. However I noticed my bumper vibrating like a jelly without the lower supports when the engine was running, not a good look :eek: If you've got some old board you can cut out hammer-forms and bash the metal with a hammer, but you may take the view that life is hard enough already!

Will just try and make a rough template with card then transfer onto the steel then see if I can weld it on without blowing holes. It's all the other small holes in trickier areas that will be difficult.. corners of the floors under the lights have me scratching my head!
 
Fair enough. I think it is a combination of going in from the top when you can and continuing from underneath when you can't. The floor can take it but the valance is made of cheese. Sometimes you have to repeatedly keep building the weld up to fill the holes which isn't ideal, but there's not really an alternative. It's great the inner arches are solid on yours. The curved pressings result in paper thin metal in parts.
 
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Fair enough. I think it is a combination of going in from the top when you can and continuing from underneath when you can't. The floor can take it but the valance is made of cheese. Sometimes you have to repeatedly keep building the weld up to fill the holes which isn't ideal, but there's not really an alternative. It's great the inner arches are solid on yours. The curved pressings result in paper thin metal in parts.[/QUOTE


I can identify with all those points jonti as initially when I had tried to patch the rear bumper lower mount it was going well with the welder until I dared venture out on to the valance itself and immediately started to blow holes in it! Like you say I tried to build it back up but it was tedious then looked at the back of my repair and said lets start again. Can't get over how thin the steel is. The inner arches are good with the exception of where the fuel tank bracket was, I will have to plate that. Hopefully up around the front of the car is reasonably solid too.
 
and that's before I even get near the front end and who knows there might be horrors lurking up there.

What problems do you expect? Judging by the back, the front will probably be ok corrosion wise. Inside of the sills towards the front and behind the front wheels are the main issues but less likely here I would think. Yes all the non floor welding is a compromise on these cars. As you say even something passable from the front requires checking from the back, additionally I would shine a torch through just to wind myself up :bang: That said, looking at car SOS on TV, the attempted welding on some of those unfinished projects puts it in context !
 
A little bit more work completed. I cleaned down and primed the front bumper side supports. Fairly solid and probably could have done with a bit of patching but they will do. Also removed the remains of the side mouldings with a toffee wheel in a drill, someone had previously come onto my driveway and pulled at them so they had to come off. Unfortunately it has revealed a poor repair to the edge of the passenger front door. Also after removing the front bumper I see the beam in behind is bent so the car obviously had a minor shunt.
 

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