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Following the demise of the red Tipo (see previous rust thread) I obtained a new one and this is work to date. This one had a fairly long MOT failure list including excessive corrosion on both front suspension mounts, 1 rear seat belt mounting point and an advisory on the other. However the 'Liberty' special edition with air-con in SX trim was tempting and the previous owner had fitted new springs and had some tidy welding done previously. So what needs doing...

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The rear valance is heading the same way as the red Tipo and cutting off and using the remade valance from the red one may be the way forward later on.

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The inner arches are not too far gone but there was more rust at the top and the back to tackle later.

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The holes behind the front struts will be the worst to fix, just above the sub-frame mounting bolts. Both my Mk11s suffer this.
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Re: New Tipo (old model!)

Unusually the offside is worse than the nearside.

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Struts and brake pipes have to come off on both sides to do the front.

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The hole was largest on the front offside and it is double skinned in part, so there is an extra 2mm thick sheet on top of the usual 0.9mm sheet, forming the suspension turret, to reinstate. This was the situation behind the strut on the o/side before and once all cleaned up. As usual there's more rust than first appears.

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Re: New Tipo (old model!)

It wasn't initially clear what was going on here. Having cleared the rot out, the 2mm outer sheet has cut-outs revealing the 0.9mm sheet immediately behind. The resulting gap was simply seam-sealed meaning this splendid arrangement was likely to cause problems one day!

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The water must get in when the seam sealer cracks, or behind the raised edge of the 2mm sheet further up, where there was missing sealant, then run down and fester between the two sheets. The plastic protection in the front arches could have been designed to help overlap the edges but it stops short ! Useless! Time for a cup of tea.

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The next stage was to cut cardboard templates for the new sheet to go in.

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Re: New Tipo (old model!)

There was much curvature to put on the sheets which was harder to get into the 2mm panel.

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Laying down a decent deep weld is difficult as the original 0.9mm sheet easily blows holes and there is not much room inside the arch.
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Re: New Tipo (old model!)

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It wasn't initially clear what was going on. Having cleared the rot out, the 2mm outer sheet has cut-outs revealing the 0.9mm sheet immediately behind. These edges were simply seam sealed meaning the splendid arrangement is likely to cause problems one day!

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The water must get in when the seam sealer cracks here, or behind the raised edge of the 2mm turret further up, where there was missing sealing, then run down between the two sheets. The plastic protection in the front arches could have been designed to help stop this but it stops short ! Time for a cup of tea.

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The next stage was to cut cardboard templates for the new sheet to go in.

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Mk1 Tipo s don't seem to rust here as the cavity behind the front strut is filled with expanding polyeurothane filler,this must have been dropped in the mk 2 and there is some concern expressed in the thatcham body repair manual as to the use of expanding filler due to health and safety,I presume this is due to giving off fumes if the stuff sets on fire when welding in repair sections.
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Re: New Tipo (old model!)

Turning to the other side it didn't look anything like as bad at first but it was a similar rot-fest. I cut the brake hose retainers off, cleaned them up and welded them back on. In place of the original spot welds plug welds were placed.

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For paint, the more of a faff it is to apply and use, I take the view the better it might last in the long term! With that in mind, the paint for outer areas is Epoxy Mastic which appears to adhere very well and present a tough finish and by forming the base and top coat avoids issues with paint compatibility between coats. It can also can be mixed thick enough to avoid resort to sealer. Brush painting it is ok where the finish won't be scrutinised too closely. The concealed areas which are not exposed to spray were coated in galvanising spray. Time will tell, any other views welcome !
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Mk1 Tipo s don't seem to rust here as the cavity behind the front strut is filled with expanding polyeurothane filler,this must have been dropped in the mk 2
That's interesting and I thought this must be the case because of your Mk1, Camo and others clearly did not require any work. The foam is still there in the Mk2 I had a bucket ready! I think it's down to slapdash seam sealing further up the turret from what I can see, maybe the guy got bored or was retiring on a Fiat state pension !
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Brilliant work - keep the pics coming!!
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As per what tipomike says! Have you got pics of the old red Tipo in the end?
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Keeping a close eye on this one jonti! Keep us posted!
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Re: New Tipo (old model!)

Ok. Well there is a bit more to do to get a Mk2 up to Mk1 standard...

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Have you got pics of the old red Tipo in the end?
Still in the garage but it needs to come out asap to be cannibalised
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Out of curiosity, were Tipos ever fitted with airbags?
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Out of curiosity, were Tipos ever fitted with airbags?
As an option later in Mk11 production, driver only, were less common and a slightly softer dash for the passenger...!
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Re: New Tipo (old model!)

My current Tipo is a late model one with the "safety pack" fitted... It has a driver airbag, pretensioning seatbelts and the seats are height adjustable. My earlier one was a non-airbag version, and I always preferred the feel of the simpler wheel.

Incidentally the airbag steering wheel is deeper than the standard, and as a result both indicator / wiper stalks are angled more towards the driver.. when mine failed I replaced them with earlier ones and it's quite noticeable!
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