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More updates. With the struts off I tidied underneath the strut tops, however, as it is the same piece of 2mm sheet it would seem unlikely to perforate any time soon, and I renewed the strut bearings which were looking a little rusty.

With a sill repair, front brake pipes, new wiper blades and sorting some lighting issues, the Tipo was ready for MOT...

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I can't boast BlueJohn's safety pack or Camos' digi dash however I hoped my garage would be welcoming of the SX trim elements plus 'Lorica' seats and leather gear knob

After an initial knock-back for suspected corrosion inside of the sill behind a plastic cover, which we agreed was incorrect having taken it off, I had an MOT and we were ready for the first test drive...
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Not having driven one for some years, it was a reminder of what a great drive these cars are. However it was a cold day and family members complained about damp seats and lack of heating. In addition, the engine was clearly running too cold. More concerningly by the time we got back, the oil pressure light was just starting to flicker...
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Heating issue might be the thermostat (I've swapped a few...), oil pressure light is a bit worrying if your level is OK, do you get the feeling the previous owner looked after it or just ran it until it was about to expire?

The engines are pretty tough so maybe do a compresion test and listen for any bottom end rumbles. Do an oil flush and change, use a 15W/40 oil (a diesel variant will help clear any internal gunk).

Hope it goes well, they are a nice driving experience.

I never really liked the SX's velour interior but the colour coded bumper sections are a smart addition. Plus a 60:40 split folding rear seat!
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Heating issue might be the thermostat (I've swapped a few...), oil pressure light is a bit worrying if your level is OK, do you get the feeling the previous owner looked after it or just ran it until it was about to expire?

The engines are pretty tough so maybe do a compresion test and listen for any bottom end rumbles.

Plus a 60:40 split folding rear seat!
The coolant is grey colour so it's well had it and you'd be right about the thermostat. The vendor seemed confident in the engine and given the work needed to the body that was a lesser concern. However I would say this oil pressure reading at 1 bar when cold! supports the warning light. Along with that rattle on biting point you mention. Apart from that it's a nice unit.

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So time to consider a way forward. One option could be to transplant the 1.9 TD from my red one. Much would be 'plug and play' but it won't all be plain sailing.

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PS No 60:40 seat and headlamp washers for the Liberty, must have paid for the air con
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Re: New Tipo (old model!)

Actually you don't specify which engine you've got but I'm assuming 1.4 or 1.6 petrol?

You don't say the mileage either, so I suppose it could be a good old-fashioned worn engine... as such there's no reason it couldn't just be rebuilt / refreshed like folks used to do...
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as such there's no reason it couldn't just be rebuilt / refreshed like folks used to do...
Tis possible, but I have found before it can quickly get rather expensive...it's a 1.6. Funnily enough, back in the day my brother's 1.6 Teapot engine also had some serious issues... with a similar mileage, 65k. Will have to find a way. Here's an update on some other progress meantime...

The sunroof had been immoveable. I swapped the motor out of the red one and using the emergency key, which always makes me laugh, was now able to turn the spindle and was pleased that the sunroof opened ok, with just a little shower of rust.

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With this proof of concept lol I greased the moving parts, replaced the broken white clips that push the blind back and then tried motorised operation - which was also ok.
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Then to the heating system which has never worked. Having swapped in the resistor and fan from the red Tipo, the blower worked. The terrible state of the coolant had clearly killed the thermostat, so both were replaced.

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The liberty has cables controlling the temp. and flaps as usual, but the fan switch is electric. White securing clips that kept the cables in tension had cracked however, meaning the dials only worked one way! Without looting the red car's cables, this would have been difficult to fix. I also lubricated all the moving control parts behind the facia. The upshot of this work was that the engine now gets to temp, there is air and heating and there is less strain on the dials.
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I saw the loom had a spare plug for the headlamp washer pump and hoped I could reinstate this feature on the silver car using bits from the Tipo TD. There was no power to it though. Checking this feature out it turned out to be rather more complicated with various fuses, wiring and a relay which were never fitted to the silver one and almost impossible to recover from the red one, so I gave up.

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Next task was to strip all black underseal applied over previous floor and sill welding, which tends to fail and hide rust, and repaint this with epoxy mastic, welding up three little holes in the process.

The wheels are brava ones I've had powder-coated for this teapot, with a fractionally wider offset than the originals.
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Great progress with all that welding and the MOT.. and yes the coolant was even more disgusting than I'd imagined. Probably giving it another flush (with additive) and refresh after a year or so assuming all else is well with the car.

It seems you've got all the classic sill decay that I've encountered, but I'm confident you can handle it. You seem to have done a great job refurbing those wheels, I've just recently finished redoing mine manually which was a major slog (5 wheels..). I'll fit them soon, just wearing out the last of my old current all-season tyres. Incidentally which tyre size did you go for... standard skinny 165/65 or wider Brava-style 175/65? I'm assuming 14" wheels not 13"...

Any update on the low oil pressure and general engine health? I'm pretty sure you could easily transplant an earlier Brava / Bravo 1.6 16V... same block and gearbox (I think), and still with fairly simple ECU connections etc.

Enjoy your Tipo, you deserve it.
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I've just recently finished redoing mine manually which was a major slog (5 wheels..). I'll fit them soon, just wearing out the last of my old current all-season tyres. Incidentally which tyre size did you go for... standard skinny 165/65 or wider Brava-style 175/65? I'm assuming 14" wheels not 13"...
Cheers BlueJohn - and for your update. That sounds like hard work... it's a slog but we try to get there, or somewhere! Like you say I went from 175 to 185 width on the diesel, all good, but this one I've stayed at 165 (14"). They look rather narrow but I think you have previously tended to advise keeping the rolling weight down?

Thanks for confirming my suspicions about the Brava/o engine. As this engine is going to have to come out and I cannot think it will be anything less than a new crankshaft at the least...
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Any verdict on the engine? Classic bottom end knocking or any clues to the actual issues?

The idea of putting the diesel lump in is rather appealing... a nice 2 fingers to the zealots who are now trying to instantly eradicate any diesel pre-Euro6! Good to remind them what was perfectly acceptable and reasonable 15-odd years ago.

Personally I like the idea of the Brava 16V.. the 1.6 Tipo always was disappointing in terms of power output and a more modern, sporty engine would make the car an enjoyable "sleeper", especially with those standard wheeltrims!
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Any verdict on the engine? Classic bottom end knocking or any clues to the actual issues?

The idea of putting the diesel lump in is rather appealing

Personally I like the idea of the Brava 16V
It must the crankshaft related bearings - given the low oil pressure. Perhaps the car was ragged around with no oil at some point. I am rather surprised by the willingness of the 1.6, given it's feeble statistics, but maybe this is just the complete lack of resistance in the bearings !

My replacement diesel engine only had 50k on it however it looked a big job to rewire and re-plumb, and it was an unwieldy lump to move about. As such the red Tipo has sadly ended its days, this is all that's left, for partial reuse on the silver one...

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With a 16v in the tipo, it might be wise to secure the trims with cable ties...
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