Technical Sporting 1.2 16v hesitation and other stuff...

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Technical Sporting 1.2 16v hesitation and other stuff...

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Hi :)

Ran a search and read through a few threads but none I came across seem to directly relate to what problems I'm getting. Some similar but the threads rarely came to any conclusion..

I'll start off by saying that this has been like this since I got the car, so don't start telling me my cambelt change knocked the timing out :p

Basically, when you start the car from cold, it does start every time, but doesn't seem to fire perfect. It seems to fire but hesitate at around 700rpm for a second or 2 then kick into life and settle at a fast idle for around 30 seconds, then settles down to around 950rpm, where it stays with minimal variation. If you rev the car within the first 15 or so seconds of it being started, it will rev but hesitate and rev on 3 cylinders only. When you taker your foot off, it settles back into a 4 cylinder idle. After those 15 seconds or so, it revs fine.

When your driving around calmly, its fine. No issues what so ever. When you put your foot down from under 2000rpm, it hesitates until above 2000rpm, then goes as normal and sounds perfect. Infact, if you boot it around keeping the revs above 2000rpm, it drives perfect, or if you smoothly accelerate from stand still, it drives perfect. Just if you put your foot down from stand still, you get the hesitation.

It seems to do this regardless whether the car is hot or cold. The only thing that changes is the 3 cylinder firing on start up when its warm. It goes straight into a 900rpm idle when warm.

I had similar symptoms in a cinq years back. Ended up being the head gasket in the end... Not sure this is the problem with this car as there are no symptoms except for what I have mentioned. Not using oil/burning oil, not using coolant. No mix between the two. Obviously could be blown between 2 cylinders but that would cause constant problems, not just between certain rpm at certain loads. I'm not ruling it out but at the moment, I'm not convinced.

Any ideas then? The sparks and leads look in good condition, a number of parts look new so seems like its been serviced recently. Defo no coils as I know what its like when a coil is failing. this is not it.

Would unpluging the lambda / MAF / CS cause the ECU to revert to a standard map? If it does, would I assume that good running with either disconnected would result in that being the faulty part? If it doesnt revert to a standard map, would I assume it running the same with either part disconnected would mean that is the faulty part? I get no warning lights btw.

Any advice appreciated :) I'm not too concerned as it does drive really well. Would prefer it driving perfect though (y)
 
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Ok hmm. Just been out for a drive about, disconnecting various sensors as I did.

Tried the map first. Ran like a bag of **** with it disconnected. Eml on too so think I can safely say the map is working. Connected back up and back to normal, not quite right.

Disconnected the pre cat lambda and instantly the car felt smoother and more responsive. Revs freely through the rev range and pulled well in all tears from 1000rpm. COnnected it back up and it felt off again with noticeable hesitation and stuttering. Even got it to misfire with Eml lighting for a few seconds! Seemed to judder into action where as disconnected it would burst into life when pressing the throttle.

So seems the precat lambda is at fault. I'd there a way to properly test it at home without specialist equiPment?

Also, are there going to be any adverse effects if I run with it disconnected? I will replace it but cash flow is tight (having already spent £150 on it I never intended to this month) so it will have to wait.

Cheers!
 
Haha. Yeah defo thinking its Lambda related.

Just driven to work with the lambda disconnected and it drove fine. No hesitation or juddering etc. Drove like it should do. The starting issue was still there though (firing on 3 cylinders for the first 2/3 seconds but then settling and running spot on). As you say, compression test for that me thinks, although unless it gets noticably worse like not starting, then I'll just leave it. Runs perfectly fine apart from the first few seconds of starting from cold (warm start is fine).

So, driving with the Lambda disconnected. Presuming the ECU will just refer to its preset map instead of running live from the lambda. Apart from possible differences in fuel consumption, are there any other issues I could cause? I will replace it, just not yet.
 
I will probably get onto some breakers and see what sort of money we're talking.

The car is likely to be off the road until the middle of next month anyway. Tax due and thanks to needing a small fortune of bits sorting, I can't really justify the tax haha. Well, I can, but then I can't justify putting fuel in it so the next 2/3 weeks is a no go for the punto :p
 
Ok, bit of an update.

Been reading various threads on here about hesitation and poor running. A number pointed to filthy throttle bodies so I set about cleaning mine this evening.

Stripped it off and indeed, it was pretty filthy. Not gummed up or anything excessive but the internal side was pretty dirty. Scrubbed the lot with an old toothbrush and white spirit. Cleaned up a treat and refit it after a thorough wiping dry.

Seems to have done some good. Idled noticeably smoother and feels a fair bit torquey through the gears.

I also reconnected the lambda (after running for a day with it unplugged) and the hesitation between 1-2k has returned. Will definitely replace the lambda next pay day. Just which to buy?...
 
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