Technical Alarme REATIVAÇÃO

[BatMarea]

Alguem já teve a seguinte experiência? Adquirí recentemente um Weekend 2003 SX 1.8 sem o alarme padrão Fiat funcionando. As 2 chaves azuis tem controles para o [des]travamento remoto das 5 portas e [des]ligação do alarme. O vendedor me disse que bastava trocar as pilhas dos controles para o alarme/travamento remoto voltar a funcionar. As troquei, mas não funcionou.
Ao consultar pág. A-5 do manual do prop. (veja 2 anexos), as instruções para desativar ("Excluir...") e reativar o alarme não ajudam, porque a referida luz de cortesia interna dianteira do Weekend nem tem as botões para o alarme mostradas na Fig. 5., pág. A-5 . Sei que a bateria do carro foi trocada. Será que isso desprogramou o sistema de alarme.

Agradeceria muito se alguem pudesse ajudar desvendar este mistério.

 

[T14086]

can you translate to 'English'

 

[BatMarea]

T14086 Forum Moderator,

Very sorry. I posted this by mistake. You see, I switch from the Fiat Forum to the Clube do Marea (BRAZIL) all the time, given that my Marea has some characteristics peculiar to this country, and, well, in the excitement .... . Could you please inform me how to remove it.

 

[Venters]

T14086 Forum Moderator,

Very sorry. I posted this by mistake. You see, I switch from the Fiat Forum to the Clube do Marea (BRAZIL) all the time, given that my Marea has some characteristics peculiar to this country, and, well, in the excitement .... . Could you please inform me how to remove it.

Hey bat Marea just incase the Clube can't solve it quickly I've taken the liberty.




Has somebody already had the following experience? Accuired recently a Weekend 2003 SX 1,8 without the alarm standard Fiat functioning. The 2 blue keys have controls for [DES] remote travamento of the 5 doors and [DES] linking of the alarm. It said me to the salesman that he was enough to change to the stacks of the controls for the alarm/remote travamento to come back to function. I changed them, but it did not function. When consulting p A-5 of the manual of prop. (it sees 2 annexes), the instructions to disactivate (" To exclude… ") e to reactivate the alarm does not help, because the cited light of front internal courtesy of the Weekend nor has the buttons for the alarm shown in Fig. 5. , p A-5. I know that the battery of the car was changed. It will be that this desprogramou the alarm system. It would be thankful very if somebody could help to unmask this mystery.




One day I'm going to actually learn Portuguese .

 

[BatMarea]

Hi THE BEAST,

If you didn't use electronic translation, your grasp of Portuguese is not bad at all. Soon, I may even be seeing you as a threat, given that translation is my bread'n butter !!!

My problem is, in fact, now solved (see below), but just in case it may help you or another "Mareário", here's my "official/sworn" translation:

"Has anyone had the following experience? I've acquired a Weekend 2003 SX 1.8 [made in Brazil] without the standard Fiat alarm working. The two blue (=normal) keys have controls to remotely [un]lock the 5 doors and turn on/off the alarm. The seller told me that, if I simply changed the control batteries, they should work again. I did so, but they did NOT work [and, worse, I actually managed to snap off one battery contact, which upon resoldering in place, the heat must have damaged the electronic circuitry].

I consulted p. A-5 of the owner's manual (Brazil vers.) for the instructions to [dis/re]activate the alarm, but it didn't help, as the front courtesy light on the Weekend does not have the alarm buttons indicated in Fig. 5, p A-5 [see images in original post]. I know that the car battery was replaced, so I wonder if this disconfigured the alarm system. I'd be very grateful to anyone who could unveil this mystery."

In fact, a forum contributor to the specialised Clube do Marea (Brazil) fan club has kindly explained that the SX version has no alarm, and that the remote locking probably doesn't work because the seller had probably had a Positron alarm fitted, and in taking it out prior to sale, took away the respective command module for the remote door locking.

Does this sound plausible to you? Before receiving this explanation, I had removed the panel under the dash to reveal the fuses, but, alas, there was no sign of an alarm switch.

Thanks for your interest.

 

[jug]

Does this sound plausible to you?

yes.

the SX definately does not have an alarm or remote central locking fitted as standard (even in brazil, i checked using google).

it is strange that the car's blue keys have remote's inside if it doesn't have a factory fitted alarm.

 

[BatMarea]

yes.

the SX definately does not have an alarm or remote central locking fitted as standard (even in brazil, i checked using google).

it is strange that the car's blue keys have remote's inside if it doesn't have a factory fitted alarm.

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Hi JUG,

Many thanks for your reply. For many reasons, I would very much like to visit the website you found on Google referring to Brazilian Mareas. Do you happen to have it bookmarked or can remember it, or at least the search word / phrase you used ?

 

[jug]

cant find the spec sheet i used last time. i think i found it by searching for "especificação fiat marea sx" in the domain ".br".

i just searched for adverts for fiat mareas in brazil. i saw several adverts for the 2.0 and 1.8 SX models and none of them said they had an alarm or remote central locking, so i still think it isnt fitted to the SX in brazil.

 

[BatMarea]

Hi JUG,

Many thanks again. I'll run a search with your key words. By the way, I'm impressed by your command of Portuguese. I'll also try to pin down the previous (first) owner about whether there was an alarm and remote locking, or just the latter, or if, as you suggested, she had had an alarm fitted and took it out again before sale. The 2 remote controls had dead batteries, indicating just what I'm not sure.

Funny, the other day, I repeatedly turned the ignition on and off to stop the wiper blades at max sweep so as to adjust one of the arms. After about 7-8 attempts the horn, or the "alarm", gave 2 beeps (in protest perhaps !!!). Maybe this indicates there is an alarm after all. Well, I don't think I could have accidentally pressed the horn button twice in quick succession. Sorry to labour this point. I WILL get to the bottom of it very soon and let you know.

 

[jug]

the horn, or the "alarm", gave 2 beeps (in protest perhaps !!!). Maybe this indicates there is an alarm after all.

the fiat alarm can not sound the horn. it has a seperate siren.

 

[BatMarea]

Hi JUG,

The first/previous owner of my SX 2003 confirms that it does have remote locking (doors and windows) and a factory alarm. She said she had had a satellite tracker and a "Lo-Jack" blocker fitted, and later removed, by her insurance co. She states that the locking and alarm worked after removal of these 2 extra devices.

I've discovered now that the remote locking and a front "winker" flash occur (both sides) when I use the remote standing in front of the car. However, there's not even a peep from the alarm. So, I wonder now how I could simulate a break-in without actually breaking anything so as to test the alarm.

 

[johnson550]

Hi JUG,

The first/previous owner of my SX 2003 confirms that it does have remote locking (doors and windows) and a factory alarm. She said she had had a satellite tracker and a "Lo-Jack" blocker fitted, and later removed, by her insurance co. She states that the locking and alarm worked after removal of these 2 extra devices.

I've discovered now that the remote locking and a front "winker" flash occur (both sides) when I use the remote standing in front of the car. However, there's not even a peep from the alarm. So, I wonder now how I could simulate a break-in without actually breaking anything so as to test the alarm.

You might have inadvertenly(think thats how you spell it) put it on silent. You might have to have a bit of play around to discover if its on but what you need to do is when you lock it hold the button on your remote down until you hear a beep you will need to be near the car to hear it. I learnt about this by accident I held the button down to see if it would operate the windows like my stilo does but it didnt all I had done was put the alarm off or silent. Hope you understand all this.

 

[BatMarea]

Hi johnson550,

Many thanks for your prompt reply. I haven't even tested yet if the windows close upon door locking. Why? Simply because I drive around with them closed all the time, shielded by "bat" blackout insulfilm, aircon and sound on. So, tomorrow, I'll make this test and try keeping the button down to see if the alarm peeps, if only quietly. I'll also try the 3rd remote button, the find-me. Right now, I'll settle down with a can ready to be entertained by the Biden vs. Palen debate. Thanks again. Till the morrow.

 

[jug]

sit in the car, press the button so doors lock, count to 100, now open a door. do you hear an alarm?

 

[BatMarea]

Hi JUG,

Very many thanks for this advice too. I will try your test inside the car, even though I'm fairly convinced that the remote buttons only work when I'm in front of the car (sounds a bit like Mr. Bean installing his TV!). At least, I'm satisfied now that the doors lock/unlock and the 4 windows close, and that the 3rd button, the "find-me", all work. In fact, the latter, albeit very short, was so loud it not only gave me a fright, but must have woken up the whole neighbourhood. I don't think I'll miss the very short alarm peep I think I'm supposed to hear when I lock by remote, and nor will the neighbours. Thanks again to you and our fellow threaders. Hoping to be able to help you some time too.

 

[BatMarea]

Hi JUG and fellow threaders,

Jug, I finally got around to trying your in-car test for the alarm (above), and was surprised to find that the remote button worked inside and a red light started blinking at me in the middle of the dashboard, proof enough that the alarm was working. So, no longer do I need to stand in front of the car to operate the remote. Today, I actually remotely unlocked the car and deactivated the alarm about 20m metres from the rear - a first. I wonder now if the factory-fitted alarm has some kind of internal battery that needed recharging after such a long period without use. If there is, maybe later I'll even hear a peep from the alarm as it goes on. Many thanks again for all your help.

 

[JoskeJTD]

There is a system test you can do by using just the ignition key and the bonnet switch (for the alarm) to see what country the alarm is set up for. It could be set in silent mode.

PROGRAMMING COUNTRY CODE

COUNTRY OF OPERATION
ITALY -1 CODE (Number of key presses)
GERMANY- 2
FRANCE – 3
SW1TZERLAND - 4
UNITED KINGDOM - 5
BELGIUM - 6
HOLLAND –7
EC - 8
Low siren (TURIN) - 9


It is also possible to identify the country operating mode by means of the following procedure:
- open the bonnet lid;
- turn the ignition key from MAR to STOP:
within 15 seconds. press switch (at the front bonnet) 7 times in rapid succession in less than 10 seconds.

Entry to MANUAL FAULT DIAGNOSIS will be indicated by 5 beep. During these 5 beeps,press the front bonnet switch and hold down. A further long beep will indicate acceptance of this manoeuvre.

- hold the switch down for the entire duration of this long beep. The long beep indicates that the system is in Country programming mode and the Country code can now be entered;

release the switch and within the next 10 seconds press the switch in accordance with the table for
selecting the required country operating mode (the system will be beep to confirm each press).

 

[BatMarea]

Hi JoskeJTD,

Many thanks, I'll give it a try. The country in question is Brazil. I'll report back.

 

[BatMarea]

Hi JUG,

I was wondering if you, with your experience and superior technical knowledge, had any clues regarding a mysterious fault that has just appeared. While having insulfim changed on the side windows of my Marea Weekend, the guys used the electric window winders a lot and made the battery very weak. Suddenly the wipers started to work on their own, verv slowly, very weakly and I couldn't turn them off. The car had to be bump-started, which was first tried in reverse and then in first gear. On the return home, the wipers started on their own again and could not be stopped with the lever switch, the light indicating the rear window heater/demister came on and could not be switched off either, the icon showing the speed alert was on and there was a constant whistling sound of an alarm, which did not seem to be the main alarm, i.e not the horn. I could only stop this high-pitched whistle alarm by disconnecting a lead on the battery. I'm now looking at which fuse is for the wipers and which for the rear demister. Any good suggestiions would be most appreciated. Cheers, BRIAN