General Dodgy odometer / resale value

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General Dodgy odometer / resale value

RealRiledOne

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I have a problem with my Stilo that has caused the odometer reading to show an inaccurate figure.

I've read that when I sell the car, I am legally obliged to tell the buyer that the reading is incorrect and that it should be disregarded. I am allowed to say how much I think it's out by (about 1500 extra miles so far) and I might be able to get the dealership to sign something that explains what the fault was.

So if you were buying a car and you were told the above:

1. Would you still consider buying it?

2. Would you expect the asking price to be reduced, if so by how much? (assume the asking price was £10,000)

This is just out of interest at this stage, but I'd like to get an official figure from somewhere too, any ideas who could advise me?

I may have to claim damages from the dealership that sold me the car, so I need to come up with a reasonable figure.

Thanks for your help!

RRO
 
value v mileage is a subjective thing and to be honest 1500 miles aint a lot.are the dealers gonna sort out the odometer.if they fix it (free!!) then i would just try and get a free service and leave it at that but if your gonna pile on the miles then it will affect your resale as any buyer is gonna use it as a haggling tool,wouldnt you.so its really down to what the dealers response is.get back to us ;)

The Fiat Cinquecento
Fun While It Runs
 
1500 miles wouldn't bother me, less than 3 weeks driving by me. However if you told me you'd had electrical problems that the dealer fixed, i'd want to see the documentation (recall info if there was some) or i'd assume you were flogging the car 'cos you were sick of the faults.
 
Thanks for the replies so far. The dealership are trying to get a replacement car for me (this isn't the only fault, there's quite a list) but they're holding off until they can get an answer from Fiat about compensating them for the vehicle that I return. This could take a while from other posts I've read.

The dealer's alternative is to fix the fault so it doesn't happen again and give me my next 2 services for free (worth about £600). I can probably get something in writing to say what the fault was and what was done to fix it.

Problem is they've tried to fix it before and the problem came back. This has been going on for a couple of months now, so I'm getting a bit fed up! They even managed to take a 2 inch by quarter inch strip of paint off of the drivers door handle when it was in for repairs - they had it resprayed (twice) and now the door handle sticks open when you open the door. You have to push it back in or the door won't close!

Going to stop now before I go over all the problems and bore you to death. ;)
 
Update: The dealership have agreed to replace my car. The problem now will be finding one the same spec. They said they may do an Alfa 147 if no replacement Stilo can be found.

I'd prefer a Stilo but I wonder how the depreciation compares...?
 
Wow the 147 is well nice! They depreciate a bit but cost more to start with, so you could be getting a good deal. One thing to consider though is the insurance, like for like 147's are much more to insure, which is the main reason I went for the stilo.

My Stilo 115JTD Dynamic - Group 5
147 115JTD Tourismo - Group 11
147 115JTD Lusso - Group 12!!!

And now that I have my Stilo, I think I prefer its looks, its just really that the Alfa badge is a little more exclusive.



53 3d Stilo Dynamic JTD - Sprint Blue
 
Ouch! Thats a very good point James M.

The model that they were taliking about was the Selespeed (I guess this is a Lusso), which is likely to be the highest insurance of all the 147s.

My insurance is already pretty scary on the Stilo, plus the Stilo has much better equipment. Guess I'll wait for one to turn up instead.

RRO
 
Which Stilo do you have? is it an Abarth? Cos they're group 14! They are very well equipped though.

I did really like the 147, but it was a case of much more money for the same engine and no more (or maybe even less) kit.

My original plan was to build up some no-claims with the Stilo, then change to a 147. But I think I'll get another Stilo in a year or two, same model but with leather, connect etc...

Good luck anyway, its awful when you feel at a loss with something, even more so when its something you've spent a small fortune on!

53 3d Stilo Dynamic JTD - Sprint Blue
 
Yes, it's an Abarth 5D I still worry that if I get a replacement for the Stilo I could be letting myself in for a lot of the same problems all over again. At least this time I know what questions to ask and what to look for!
 
Alfa has less gadgets installed, but as james said it's all about prestige. anyway i compared the 1.6 engines (alfa and fiat) and the fiat one has a lot better numbers in acceleration/

FIAT STILO 1.6 3dR Tiziano Red
Sub=Pioneer TS WX20LPA
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The thing is with the petrol engine models, the engines aren't common to the 147 and Stilo, the 1.6 in the Alfa is the 'twin spark' which develops 120bhp, whereas the Stilo's is 103bhp.

Your right about the figures though, the Fiat, with less power, does 0-60 about as quickly?

Especially puzzling as the JTD 147 with the SAME power as my Stilo gets there slightly quicker!

One nice thing with the Alfa though is if you go for leather, its by Momo, and has nice embossed logo's.

Stilo Abarth doesn't really have an equivelant 147, its somewhere between a 2.0Lusso and a 3.2GTA (awesome, awesome car!)

53 3d Stilo Dynamic JTD - Sprint Blue
 
I'm test driving the 2.0 147 Selespeed on Monday. Will let you know how it goes. I've read in a review somewhere that the Alfa Selespeed is smoother than the one used in the Stilo, so that should be interesting. Also I had a 156 as a courtesy car when my Stilo gearbox fell out, and was really impressed with its handling. Could be good, but not as many toys and possibly higher insurance.
 
James i was talking about 147 1.6 the 105bhp engine, thats the weakest engine that alfa puts in the 147.there are two kinds of leather for alfa, the cheaper is not Momo and it does not have embossed logos.but the one thats more expensive is Momo but i think it costs about 5.000e or so. i'm not sure so dont take this for right.:p

The 147GTA .... thats a car that i would bought just to hear the sound of the ENGINE ... the car can easily be called perfect.

I've driven 147 2.0ts with 150bhp.its all about power at alfa.the car is like an Formula1 car. the suspension wheels steering.if you're a mad man that has guts to drive buy alfa.my dad has 166 but that's another story to tell about. not even similar to the 147.

FIAT STILO 1.6 3dR Tiziano Red
Sub=Pioneer TS WX20LPA
AUTOMOBILE SK
 
I've never seen a 147 with that engine, maybe its not on sale in the uk?

I can well believe the momo interior is so expensive, it looks it!

Ah... the GTA... what a car! the sound of the engine... the SIGHT of the engine, have u seen it? Its a work of art!

Well if I asked for insurance on one they'd probably laugh and but the phone down...

If I did change to a 147 in the next couple of years it'd be a JTD.

Thing is though the Stilo is supposed to be getting the JTD 140 engine, and I could get a VERY well specced stilo for the price of a standard 147, AND save on insurance!

RealRiledOne, another thing to consider is that the 147 share its platform with the three door stilo, even if you go for a 5door 147, it will be smaller than your 5door Stilo.

53 3d Stilo Dynamic JTD - Sprint Blue
 
James I'm in loved with JTD 140bhp too. That engine will be in the 04Stilo as well as it was put in 147.Looking at the caracteristics of the engine, the 140bhp is faster than Alfa's 2.0TS (150bhp).Its faster to 60mph and in the final speed.Simple ... it's a BEAST, and it consumps DIESEL! perfect combination.

FIAT STILO 1.6 3dR Tiziano Red
Sub=Pioneer TS WX20LPA
AUTOMOBILE SK
 
Yeah, I've heard the 147 is the same platform as the 3d Stilo, the 3d and 5d alfa's are the same car with a different shell, whereas the 5d Stilo is an altogher bigger beast than the 3d. I parked near a 5d the other day and mine looked titchy in comparison, the 5d is definitely a big car for its class.

RRO, had that test drive yet then? Whats the latest?

53 3d Stilo Dynamic JTD - Sprint Blue
 
5dr is a big one ... but i parked besides mazda3 a couple of days ago and the damn thing is HUDGE for a compact class car. anyway talking about the internal of the car ... stilo is as big as an ocean for the 147 ... alfa is definitly not made for ppl that want to move a lot ... it's like a racing car inside ... get one position and do not move.[^]

FIAT STILO 1.6 3dR Tiziano Red
Sub=Pioneer TS WX20LPA
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All us lucky 3-door owners who paid less than the 5-door onwers can also boast we share the platform with the 147.... must dash off, need to find a site where i can buy an Alfa badge! :p

I'm sure i can blag the 6-speed gearbox makes the car extra sporty. Until i lift the bonnet and my mates say, wow! Thats a tiddler of a engine, i could climb in there and keep it company, its lost in that engine bay! What capacity is it!? [V]

2003 3 Door Stilo 1.2 Active, Sassy Grey, plastic wheel trims - and 43mpg average so far. Love it, Oh yes!
 
Has any 147 got the same platform as the Stilo.[?]

The 147 has been around for at least a year longer than the Stilo and I have read in the press that it was based on the Bravo/Brava platform whereas the Stilo platform was new for the Stilo and for future Alfas.

On the carsfromitaly.com website it states that the 147 was based on the 156 chassis. The 156 chassis was based om the 155 and that was in fact based on the Tipo.

I have never had the chance to look under the bonnet but if what I have read is to be believed the 147 has double wishbone front suspension at the front and Mcpherson strut at the back which has nothing in comparison to the Stilo.

But that engine in the GTA if I had one I would sit on my driveway going brrrrrm, brrrrm which is really sad as I am over 50.

Stilo Active 1.2 5 Door/ Panda 4X4
 
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