These may be of interest to you. A local garage will swap the front springs over for about £30.
https://www.fiatforum.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=26859&cat=68
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These may be of interest to you. A local garage will swap the front springs over for about £30.
https://www.fiatforum.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=26859&cat=68
Coilover is a slang term used to describe a coil spring over some sort of shock absorber, my push bike has coil over rear suspension (its really not advanced stuff)
front suspension on stilo is McPherson Strut (as pointed out by Yellow Peril) the rear is a torsion beam. which uses separate springs and dampeners.
the McPhersons strut is a kind of 'coil over' but also incorporates steering components, in that it acts as the top pivot for the steering its nothing like you would find on say a Caterham 7 which has an independent coil over shock in double wishbone set up. to change the ride height you can usually adjust a plate up and down the body of the shock to alter the point where the spring meets the shock tweaks on some setups allow you to alter the bound and rebound which controls the speed at which the spring can compress and expand.
the rear of most modern hatchbacks is a torsion beam which has a pair of springs and a pair of shocks. to change the ride height you change the spring or use some sort of insert. these are not Coil overs.
so if someone says "i'm fitting coil overs" what they generally mean is they have bought a lowering kit with shorter springs and compatible dampeners usually no more adjustable the the factory kit, (often no real difference other than shorter springs) the problem with lowering on McPhearson struts is you alter the camber of the front wheels and screw up the geometry of the suspension
If you fit bigger wheels to a car you fit tyres with a narrower tyre wall so the overall rolling circumference of the wheel remains unchanged, otherwise you risk throwing your speedo out of calibration and getting you into trouble with the police.
an earlier post about 100mm drop well i measured this against my Punto HGT I i lowered it 100mm my front bumper would be 5cm off the the road and my exhaust would be about 2cm off the ground. not to mention the top of my front tyres would be 5cm above the level of the wheel arches meaning i wouldn't be able to steer and the wheels would be wedged against the inner wing/wheel arch liner. and thats with 15inch factory fitted wheels. i looked into it and it seems the FK Highsport kit for the stilo only adjusts upto -55mm at which point i think the suspension geometry would be pretty dodgy making the car a bitch to drive. especially with big wheels with very low profile tyres.
I used to have a rangeRover classic with a 3 inch suspension lift, and this required special adjustments to be made all over the suspension to make it work otherwise it was un-drivable an a land rover has much better suspension to be able to do these things i dread to think what a stilo with a 2inch drop would drive like
front suspension on stilo is McPherson Strut (as pointed out by Yellow Peril) the rear is a torsion beam. which uses separate springs and dampeners.
the McPhersons strut is a kind of 'coil over' but also incorporates steering components, in that it acts as the top pivot for the steering its nothing like you would find on say a Caterham 7 which has an independent coil over shock in double wishbone set up. to change the ride height you can usually adjust a plate up and down the body of the shock to alter the point where the spring meets the shock tweaks on some setups allow you to alter the bound and rebound which controls the speed at which the spring can compress and expand.
the rear of most modern hatchbacks is a torsion beam which has a pair of springs and a pair of shocks. to change the ride height you change the spring or use some sort of insert. these are not Coil overs.
so if someone says "i'm fitting coil overs" what they generally mean is they have bought a lowering kit with shorter springs and compatible dampeners usually no more adjustable the the factory kit, (often no real difference other than shorter springs) the problem with lowering on McPhearson struts is you alter the camber of the front wheels and screw up the geometry of the suspension
If you fit bigger wheels to a car you fit tyres with a narrower tyre wall so the overall rolling circumference of the wheel remains unchanged, otherwise you risk throwing your speedo out of calibration and getting you into trouble with the police.
an earlier post about 100mm drop well i measured this against my Punto HGT I i lowered it 100mm my front bumper would be 5cm off the the road and my exhaust would be about 2cm off the ground. not to mention the top of my front tyres would be 5cm above the level of the wheel arches meaning i wouldn't be able to steer and the wheels would be wedged against the inner wing/wheel arch liner. and thats with 15inch factory fitted wheels. i looked into it and it seems the FK Highsport kit for the stilo only adjusts upto -55mm at which point i think the suspension geometry would be pretty dodgy making the car a bitch to drive. especially with big wheels with very low profile tyres.
I used to have a rangeRover classic with a 3 inch suspension lift, and this required special adjustments to be made all over the suspension to make it work otherwise it was un-drivable an a land rover has much better suspension to be able to do these things i dread to think what a stilo with a 2inch drop would drive like
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So in plain English for us doing our best to understand?
"Coil Over" is a general term used to describe any shock that has the spring wrapped around it. This includes the Stilo's front end(McPherson) setup as well as many others.
A simple yes or no would be appreciated ?
"Coil Over" is a general term used to describe any shock that has the spring wrapped around it. This includes the Stilo's front end(McPherson) setup as well as many others.
A simple yes or no would be appreciated ?
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Post #19 please. Thank you.
if you are going to use a cone filter you won't see any performance unless you use cold air induction pipe too. coilovers give great lowering and handling but a really harsh ride. lowering springs and gas struts for me all the way.
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get 'propper' adjustable coilovers and you will find you can put your car as high or as low as you want and make the ride as harsh or soggy as you want...
also some camber bolts to keep the correct geometry and a propper 4 wheel alignment and i think you will be more than pleased with the results
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got to say, id rather drive mine on H&R's than a standard suspension one. they feel the same in stifness but the huge reduction in roll makes it a significantly more stable ride around corners.
also some camber bolts to keep the correct geometry and a propper 4 wheel alignment and i think you will be more than pleased with the results
.got to say, id rather drive mine on H&R's than a standard suspension one. they feel the same in stifness but the huge reduction in roll makes it a significantly more stable ride around corners.
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Thank you all for helpful tips
If im going to buy a sporty filter to original air box, i need to replace the pipe? whats so special with aftermarket pipe? Or are u talking about the whole cone induction kit, cuz i read that induction kit, without new exhaust system and without a remap isnt worthy. Plus sometimes it gets just worst by getting hot air.
If im going to buy a sporty filter to original air box, i need to replace the pipe? whats so special with aftermarket pipe? Or are u talking about the whole cone induction kit, cuz i read that induction kit, without new exhaust system and without a remap isnt worthy. Plus sometimes it gets just worst by getting hot air.
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coilover = Spring over a shock.
As for induction kits (insert boo and hiss here). For added performance you need to manage faster and optimum airflow throughout the entire system, that is, from point of entry to point of exit. Also you need to consider the temperature and density of the air entering the system, whether turbo or naturally asperated.
The benefits in power vs the cost on ANY standard vehicle are negligible. Unless you are looking at mega money on an induction system, remap, tune (including all uprated components) and exhaust system, I wouldn't bother.
If you are insistent on "upgrading" your intake, go for a panel filter by K&N that fits your standard box.
Remember that engineers have spend years and billions on R&D to get optimum airflow into an engine.
Just my two pennies, its your car and your money and your time.
Ta
coilover = Spring over a shock.
As for induction kits (insert boo and hiss here). For added performance you need to manage faster and optimum airflow throughout the entire system, that is, from point of entry to point of exit. Also you need to consider the temperature and density of the air entering the system, whether turbo or naturally asperated.
The benefits in power vs the cost on ANY standard vehicle are negligible. Unless you are looking at mega money on an induction system, remap, tune (including all uprated components) and exhaust system, I wouldn't bother.
If you are insistent on "upgrading" your intake, go for a panel filter by K&N that fits your standard box.
Remember that engineers have spend years and billions on R&D to get optimum airflow into an engine.
Just my two pennies, its your car and your money and your time.
Ta
what a funny thread, you lot ought to read this -
Amazon.com: Race Tech's Motorcycle Suspension Bible (Motorbooks Workshop) (9780760331408): Paul Thede, Lee Parks: Books
coilovers an amusing term derived for boy racers who usually haven't got a clue what they're talking about but love to tell their mates they've just fitted coilovers cos it sounds cool
i bet most of the people who've fitted adjustable "coilovers" with adjustable damping haven't bothered to get their car corner weighted.
i still don't understand the desire to "slam" your car to 2mm from the ground ****ing pointless and a total waste of money.
adjustable coilovers are not designed to be used to make your car sit lower or higher so you can think it looks pretty. if you lower it your springs are going to be so squashed up they won't work and if you higher it they won't do **** all.
-Amazon.com: Race Tech's Motorcycle Suspension Bible (Motorbooks Workshop) (9780760331408): Paul Thede, Lee Parks: Books
coilovers
an amusing term derived for boy racers who usually haven't got a clue what they're talking about but love to tell their mates they've just fitted coilovers cos it sounds cooli bet most of the people who've fitted adjustable "coilovers" with adjustable damping haven't bothered to get their car corner weighted.
i still don't understand the desire to "slam" your car to 2mm from the ground ****ing pointless and a total waste of money.
adjustable coilovers are not designed to be used to make your car sit lower or higher so you can think it looks pretty. if you lower it your springs are going to be so squashed up they won't work and if you higher it they won't do **** all.
get 'propper' adjustable coilovers and you will find you can put your car as high or as low as you want and make the ride as harsh or soggy as you want...
also some camber bolts to keep the correct geometry and a propper 4 wheel alignment and i think you will be more than pleased with the results
got to say, id rather drive mine on H&R's than a standard suspension one. they feel the same in stifness but the huge reduction in roll makes it a significantly more stable ride around corners.
Is it possible to get camber bolts for the Stilo? I read somewhere that the camber wasn't adjustable on them
Is it possible to get camber bolts for the Stilo? I read somewhere that the camber wasn't adjustable on them
I know Eibach make them for the Punto, Croma and the Multipla but not sure about the Stilo.
Maybe these?
http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/perfo...vehicle-specific-ez-cam-camber-bolt-kit-front
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when are people going to realise/learn that lowering your car 30-40mm isn't what gets it to handle well/reduce body roll:bang:
lowering your car doesn't matter a toss as far as handling goes all it does is make it scrape speed humps and cock up your camber and apparently look pretty.
ok to a certain point if you're car is up on stilts then yes the centre of gravity on something like a land rover compared to a mini then yes ride height does affect body roll.
the thing that helps handling is spring rate and damping get them set right and you'll feel like you're on a rail.
and another thing sticking 18/19" wheels on a car is stupid they may look pretty but you're tyres won't be able to do the job they were originally designed to do which is make your car absorb **** road surfaces. eventually at the rate things are going we may as well go back to driving cars with wooden wheels and steel hoops as they'll be just as comfortable.
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lowering your car doesn't matter a toss as far as handling goes all it does is make it scrape speed humps and cock up your camber and apparently look pretty.
ok to a certain point if you're car is up on stilts then yes the centre of gravity on something like a land rover compared to a mini then yes ride height does affect body roll.
the thing that helps handling is spring rate and damping get them set right and you'll feel like you're on a rail.
and another thing sticking 18/19" wheels on a car is stupid they may look pretty but you're tyres won't be able to do the job they were originally designed to do which is make your car absorb **** road surfaces. eventually at the rate things are going we may as well go back to driving cars with wooden wheels and steel hoops as they'll be just as comfortable.
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Aw ****, I've just ordered a set of those wooden wheels for my car. ****......
I'm pretty sure the people on here who want to lower there car aren't stupid enough to think it makes their car handle better. Buying aftermarket coilovers automaticly lowers your car by 30mm or so due to the fact the dampers are shorter than oem.
"and another thing sticking 18/19" wheels on a car is stupid they may look pretty but you're tyres won't be able to do the job they were originally designed to do which is make your car absorb **** road surfaces"
Well if you had coilovers you could weave and dodge and **** like a race driver to avoid all the bad road bumps
Besides speed bumps aren't supposed to be more than 100mm high, maybe 75mm now? And must be at least 10x the height in length. This shouldn't cause a problem for anyone with a 30mm drop, een with 80-100mm the clearence would still be more. And if you do get damaged by a speed bump, provided you've been good and put your mods on your insurance then claim the council for damages due to improper designed speed bumps.
I'm pretty sure the people on here who want to lower there car aren't stupid enough to think it makes their car handle better. Buying aftermarket coilovers automaticly lowers your car by 30mm or so due to the fact the dampers are shorter than oem.
"and another thing sticking 18/19" wheels on a car is stupid they may look pretty but you're tyres won't be able to do the job they were originally designed to do which is make your car absorb **** road surfaces"
Well if you had coilovers you could weave and dodge and **** like a race driver to avoid all the bad road bumps
Besides speed bumps aren't supposed to be more than 100mm high, maybe 75mm now? And must be at least 10x the height in length. This shouldn't cause a problem for anyone with a 30mm drop, een with 80-100mm the clearence would still be more. And if you do get damaged by a speed bump, provided you've been good and put your mods on your insurance then claim the council for damages due to improper designed speed bumps.
The GP Schumacher came with 18" wheels and was lowered. The GP is the best handling Schumacher to ever come out of the Factory.
Turning around it a PITA though lol.
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i agree slamming the car doesnt automaticly increase handling and decrease roll.
but find me a set of lowring springs with standard or lower spring rates and ill shut up. they all have higher ones, reducing roll...
but ill say it again. get some fully adjustable coilovers and set then how you feel best. ive drivin mine for months set near the bottom of adjustment and ive not got a scratch under the car .
it is completely true though that lower does not mean better. i know set to MAX drop my car does not handle as well as around 70mm drop. so thats where i try and keep them if im using the car daily. but even on max there not worse than standard it just gets quite stiff. so it then again becomes personal preference.
i honestly beleive that if people want there car scraping the floor than thats up to them, if they dont fine.
and 18" wheels are not going to absorb **** roads. but they also reduce tyre flex a huge amount which then allows the suspension to do what its designed to do. so for this its again personal preference as to comfort over handling....
also to quote YAMPUG.
"adjustable coilovers are not designed to be used to make your car sit lower or higher so you can think it looks pretty. if you lower it your springs are going to be so squashed up they won't work and if you higher it they won't do **** all.
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lowering the car does not even slightly squash the coil......... it lowers the lower attachment to the strut so slides the strut further up into the spring. the compression on the spring doesnt even slightly change.
and although there not designed to slam the car, it does allow you to lower the car and increase the damping to stiffen it up.
also this is what i use for camber adjust on mine
http://www.monroeshop.co.uk/front-monroe-magic-camber-kits--fits-fiat-stilo-192-18-16v-192xc1a-pn-mc110-pair_p22292924.htm
propperly set up for camber and tracking
but find me a set of lowring springs with standard or lower spring rates and ill shut up. they all have higher ones, reducing roll...
but ill say it again
. get some fully adjustable coilovers and set then how you feel best. ive drivin mine for months set near the bottom of adjustment and ive not got a scratch under the car .it is completely true though that lower does not mean better. i know set to MAX drop my car does not handle as well as around 70mm drop. so thats where i try and keep them if im using the car daily. but even on max there not worse than standard it just gets quite stiff
. so it then again becomes personal preference.i honestly beleive that if people want there car scraping the floor than thats up to them, if they dont fine
.and 18" wheels are not going to absorb **** roads. but they also reduce tyre flex a huge amount which then allows the suspension to do what its designed to do. so for this its again personal preference as to comfort over handling....
also to quote YAMPUG.
"adjustable coilovers are not designed to be used to make your car sit lower or higher so you can think it looks pretty. if you lower it your springs are going to be so squashed up they won't work and if you higher it they won't do **** all.
Shadeyman, AndyRKett liked this post"
lowering the car does not even slightly squash the coil......... it lowers the lower attachment to the strut so slides the strut further up into the spring. the compression on the spring doesnt even slightly change
.and although there not designed to slam the car, it does allow you to lower the car and increase the damping to stiffen it up.
also this is what i use for camber adjust on mine
http://www.monroeshop.co.uk/front-monroe-magic-camber-kits--fits-fiat-stilo-192-18-16v-192xc1a-pn-mc110-pair_p22292924.htm
propperly set up for camber and tracking
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which coilovers do you have fitted to your car clock? got any pics?
if they look anything like this set off a clio 182 then i think you'll find you comment about adjustment and lowering is wrong.
have you had your car cornerweighted?
if they look anything like this set off a clio 182 then i think you'll find you comment about adjustment and lowering is wrong.
have you had your car cornerweighted?
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no but mine are not adjustable damping.
and when you lower the car you will coil them down.. meaning the spring CANNOT get compressed more???
and when there screwed up the shock extends more aswell. ive not got any pics, but there H&R's
i cant see how they get compressed. as you can see here the spring rotate downwards and the shock goes up. staying the same compression when lowered. and only gets compressed when hightened past a certain point.
and when you lower the car you will coil them down.. meaning the spring CANNOT get compressed more???
and when there screwed up the shock extends more aswell. ive not got any pics, but there H&R's
i cant see how they get compressed. as you can see here the spring rotate downwards and the shock goes up. staying the same compression when lowered. and only gets compressed when hightened past a certain point.
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ah makes sense now i didn't realise you have height adustable coilovers infact i haven't seen those type before they're quite impressive. shame they haven't also got adjustable damping. then i'd be really impressed
though thinking about it the ones you've got clock are mainly for image as you can't as far as i can tell adjust the spring tension preload or adjust the damping only thing you're able to do is adjust ride height for ascetics. or are you able to adjust spring preload?
worth getting it corner weighted if you can adjust spring preload.
though thinking about it the ones you've got clock are mainly for image as you can't as far as i can tell adjust the spring tension preload or adjust the damping only thing you're able to do is adjust ride height for ascetics. or are you able to adjust spring preload?
worth getting it corner weighted if you can adjust spring preload.
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no there not for a stilo. but they do have the threaded body on the shock with the collars to adjust height.
tbh didnt realise there was ones with a coil covering the whole shock... in this instance you would be right. but ive never seen a set like that :S
the avo's a friend has on his cinquecento are the same setup as mine, but have a allen key adjuster on the top for damping.
tbh didnt realise there was ones with a coil covering the whole shock... in this instance you would be right
. but ive never seen a set like that :Sthe avo's a friend has on his cinquecento are the same setup as mine, but have a allen key adjuster on the top for damping.
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