In the last 2 months ive ran out of fuel about 5 times and my car recently seems to be stalling whilst driving. Ill pull over turn the ignition on a couple of time and ill let the car gurgle for a while ( can hear fuel moving about) and hey presto itll start again.

Does this sound like the fuel filter ?

thanks mike

Ok so I took my car to the garage and they've been checking it over .. no fuel leaks and fuel was flowing but when they were running it at first it would only run intermittently. So they put another tenner of fuel and it started to run ok again :S

So i took the car back and the garage said bring it back straight away to read the codes if it happens again.

Anyway this morning on the way to work whilst accelerating the car started to stutter and then it died, pulled over and let the engine prime again can hear the gurgling from the tank waited till that stopped then it fired back up again no problem.

Took it straight back to the garage to read the code and P0191 came up fuel control circuit :S

Anyway Im not sure what to do replace the rail pressure sensor or the fuel pump in the tank any suggestions or ideas ??

Thanks

If you ran the tank dry then only put £10 of fuel back in it there will be very little in the tank. If your going up hill or park on a slop the small amount of fuel in the tank probabely isn't enough for the electric pump in the tank to pick up and send to the main high pressure pump.

So get your wallet out and fill her up(half a tank at least) before you damage something. Diesel fuel lubricates most of the parts it touches. Continually running it dry or very near empty is not good.

Im keeping the tank atleast a quarter full now but its still cutting out, I really dont know were to start.

Do you know if the error code p0191 is relating to the injection pump or the fuel pump, its just that when ever this happens the car will gurgle from the tank and then start again it just sounds like there is a something up with the pump in the tank :S

https://www.fiatforum.com/stilo/261901-jtd-engine-fault-stop-error-p0191.html

http://www.permoveo.ltd.uk/tabid/122/OBD-Error-Code/P0191/Diagnostics/Fiat/Default.aspx

And as an off the wall suggestion, I saw on an Alfa Forum that this code got thrown up by incorrect spark plugs & dodgy coil-packs...

Correct me if I'm wrong but I've been told that you cannot ever run the tank dry on a diesel. Can't remember why but I think it has to do with keeping the fuel system pressurised and not drawing in air/vapours from the tank or something. :s

Sounds to me like you've probably clogged the pumps filter. It has a fine mesh before fuel leaves the tank and goes through the pump. If run dry then all sorts of crap has probably stuck to it. Don't know if you can clean them or not.

just a thought but, have you checked the CKPsensor?

I dont actually own a Stilo, yet, but I had similar issues with my Diesel Maverick-drivingalong, engine cuts out, oull to a junction, engine cuts out, only ever did it when warm-this pointed to CKP. As its a magnet, essentially, the heat affects it, so if its old or worn, that magnet cant send the correct signal to the ecu etc, causing problems.

just a thought.

I had similar in an old Golf. User to stop after about 35 miles. I would pour a bit of petrol in the carb, and it would start again. Tried alsorts, even fitted a reconditioned engine!

Turned out it was the end of the fuel pipe in the tank. The rubber had rotted away or got gunged up a bit right at the end, and was frayed and tatty, so the threads in the pipe were clogging up. Replaced it with 6in of plastic fuel pipe and the problem was gone.

Im going to take a look at the fuel pump ive had the top cover off under the seat and i can see the pump but how to you release the pump do you twist it out of the tank or is it bonded in ?

Fuel pump removal involves undoing the large circular plastic ring round the top of the pump. Unplug the wiring first then you need to either tap it round gently anti-clockwise using a flat punch and a hammer or use a large set of pipe grips to clamp and turn it. Be careful not to lose the rubber ring inside the plastic screw cap or it will leak gases into the car or fuel when the car is tilted. The pump will just lift out then but again be careful of the fuel gauge float that acts like a toilet ball cock. If you damage or bend it you will not get an accurate fuel reading or none at all. Refitting is the reverse but apply a little engine oil round the rubber seal. It will seal it better and protect it from the fuel.

Thank you dcthebear im probably going to try it tomorrow as ive got work soon hope it goes well and i can see a bit clearer.

Ok ive had the pump out and its seems to be running fine when connected to a battery, but yesterday it cut out again had to toe it home anyway started a fresh this morning couldnt get it started till i disconnected and reconected the fuel feed to the injection pump from the filter.

Im going to wait until it happens again and try the same method and hope that fixes it and try and narrow it down from there.

Any ideas from now ?

Ok so the engine cutting out problem has disapeared for now
Thanks for everyones help.

Ive had the egr valve and it was pritty clean decided to check the map and it was covered in oil honestly the hole was almost closed by a seal of oil.
Anyway ive cleaned as much of the oil as I can off the sensor and the car seems to have improved quite a lot.

I quickly took the solid plastic air feed off the inlet maniford and reached in and its got atleast half a centre meter of oil all around you can srape it out. Do you wreckon taking the inlet manifold off and giving it a clean and a new sensor would help much ?

If so how hard is it to take the manifold off .. when I had a look I could see the top nuts are there bottom ones ?

thanks mike

madspof said:

Ok so the engine cutting out problem has disapeared for now
Thanks for everyones help.

Ive had the egr valve and it was pritty clean decided to check the map and it was covered in oil honestly the hole was almost closed by a seal of oil.
Anyway ive cleaned as much of the oil as I can off the sensor and the car seems to have improved quite a lot.

I quickly took the solid plastic air feed off the inlet maniford and reached in and its got atleast half a centre meter of oil all around you can srape it out. Do you wreckon taking the inlet manifold off and giving it a clean and a new sensor would help much ?

If so how hard is it to take the manifold off .. when I had a look I could see the top nuts are there bottom ones ?

thanks mike

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Good stuff you got it sorted

It's not that easy to clean inside the manifold to reach right up the port, best to just leave it I'd think. The sensor should be fine if it's been cleaned now

What you could get now is an oil catch tank:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RED-OIL-C...arts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item53e80b1e85

You will have a crankcase breather hose coming out the top of your engine. This takes oil and other gunk from the crankcase and feeds it up and out into the air intake, to be burned in the combustion chamber. It gets all over the throttle body and intake manifold, covers your valves etc. An oil catch tank fits between the hose from the crankcase breather to air intake, and stores the oil inside it instead of being sucked into the engine. It will prevent your engine from ingesting any of that nasty oil again and will make your engine run better as well

Here's my 1.2 fitted with one :

Finally I got it sorted the other week.
It cut out and just wouldnt start so towed it home and the pump was pumping so sporadicaly i just replaced it and ever since its been great.

Theres more power to thanks everyone