Technical Liar, Liar, God Dam Liar..

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Technical Liar, Liar, God Dam Liar..

BLKC99

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God Dam I will kill the silly ass Italian bugger who designed the 2.4 Stilo Abarth and the ever so glorious oil dipstick, he better not ever make himself known publicly :mad:……..

This is the third time that this stupid, untrustworthy, foolish thing has intimidated me with its reading and thank god that in the end nothing very costly happened.

Yesterday afternoon I was simply retuning back to a park and ride car park to pick the red beast up and drive home, as I had not checked the oil for over 2 weeks and as it had been sitting there since early morning I thought for sure I can get an accurate oil reading, so popped the bonnet open, pull the oil measuring stick out, wiped it clean and took another reading. The oil reading I got was just over 1/4, I doubled and triple checked it and got the same reading, I thought myself “s*** how is that possible”, “I checked it over 2 weeks ago and the oil sump was full??”
At this point I was in worry mode and all I could think off was to get to the nearest Halfords as I was not sure that the petrol stations around the area and supermarkets sold 10w60 oil. The town that I was in, unfortunately I could not locate the root to the nearest Halfords so I had to torture myself with no choice but to drive back home to my local Halfords to then pick up some oil from there. As I share transport with a few colleagues to cut the costs of travelling I had to nip in to the town from the park and ride to pick them up. Once I parked up outside my Uni I switched the car off and left it for around 10 minutes or so. I knew I was not going to get an accurate reading whatsoever but my mind was in panic mode and I though “just checked it again, surely it can be right, surely..??” I did as stated and the oil reading I got was 0……at this point I was mentally stressed out and all I could think off was “I need OOOILLLLLL, NOW” I had around 2cl of Mobil 10w60 oil left over from my last top up as I could not get hold of any Selenia through a store so I chucked it in and after a while I checked the oil level again and still 0……I was thinking over and over again “how is this possible”.
After an agonizing, pain staking 35 minute trip back home, once I dropped my colleagues off I eventually made way and pulled up at my local Halfords, also made sure I parked up on a flat surface. I then ran in the store and grabbed some Mobil 10w60, I could not have been any longer that 10 minutes, once I returned to car, I took one last oil reading before pumping a 5 litre oil bottle in to the sump and well, well, well what do you say, the oil reading I got was a 1/2…..I really did not know what to think to myself at that point other than WTF ???????? I gave the car another 10 minutes and took another reading and yes you guessed it was still a 1/2…. When I thought back to the park and ride car park that I was parked in, I realised that the car had not been parked entirely on flat surface and this explained why I had a 1/4 oil reading back then. I proceeded to drive home without putting any oil in as I simply could not trust this oil measuring stick. The best thing that I could was to take an accurate reading prior cold start first thing in the morning, also making sure that the car was parked on a flat surface and then take it from there to then see how much oil it actually needed.
So got up for my new job nice and early this morning, got to the car, popped the bonnet open, took a reading and I got just over a 100% oil reading from the dipstick???!!!!!! I could not believe my eyes so I proceeded to take at least another 4 readings and each single one came back with a measure of oil reading just over full, how lucky I felt at this point for being stubborn, and also reflected on the amount of money that I had just saved, this could have been a very costly mistake.

I simply cannot stress any more to all 2.4 owners how crap, unreliable, deceiving and badly designed the Stilo 2.4 Abarth engine dipstick really is, it lies over and over again and the only way you can take an absolute accurate reading is to park the car in flat ground, a MUST and take the reading either prior a cold start or when the car has been sitting for a fair few hours after a trip.

PEOPLE you have been warmed, don’t trust this stupid instrument, it LIES big time and it nearly gave me a costly event to take care off as what would have happened is that I would have over filled the sump and would have had to drain all the old and fresh new oil back out, all because of this stupid, useless thing, god dam it.
 
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whats wrong BLKC?

Do you need a :hug:... want me to run you a bath... i could put bubbles in... maybe put some candles on... how about some Enya... ill dig the feelings book out so you can write them all down!
 
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Confirms what I think we all concluded a while back; completey level surface and several hours after switching off. Otherwise - who knows how much oil you've got!

I had to share this experience out mate, truly unbelievable (n)

i can't help but think your upset about something?.....:D

Yes bud, stress is a big factor around at the mo, exam pressure does not help either, the last thing I need to stress out about is with some lame ass Italian engineering design which gives people likes us such a hard time to use, bloody *** **** **** **** ** ***..... there, thats better (y)

whats wrong BLKC?

Do you need a :hug:... want me to run you a bath... i could put bubbles in... maybe put some candles on... how about some Enya... ill dig the feelings book out so you can write them all down!

In all honesty mate, no thanks, Im a big boy now lol ;)
 
Yes bud, stress is a big factor around at the mo, exam pressure does not help either, the last thing I need to stress out about is with some lame ass Italian engineering design which gives people likes us such a hard time to use, bloody *** **** **** **** ** ***..... there, thats better (y)

speaking of italian design....that bloody oil filter!!!!:mad:
 
PMSL at the oil filter. I couldn't trust myself to not cross thread it even if I could get the damn thing off. I just paid my local specialist to do it.
 
All engines are suppose to have a sensor if oil pressure is way below right? I mean you should be getting low oil pressure or whatever if it's dangerously low.

I only check the level once every 2 or 3 months, and yes, in case you don't leave the car over night you don't get an accurate reading. I only check it so rarely because I think there's a system that will warn me that my engine is going bye bye, isn't there?
 
All engines are suppose to have a sensor if oil pressure is way below right? I mean you should be getting low oil pressure or whatever if it's dangerously low.

I only check the level once every 2 or 3 months, and yes, in case you don't leave the car over night you don't get an accurate reading. I only check it so rarely because I think there's a system that will warn me that my engine is going bye bye, isn't there?

Hia Vladof

The 2.4 stilo does not have an oil sensor, as with my previous JTD and I presume some other stilo models, every time I started the car up in the morning there was an oil sensor reading displayed on the LCD cluster which helped immensely. Unfortunately with the 2.4, the same Italian S.O.B who designed this car, for whatever reasons could not be assed to implement the same easy oil sensor system in this engine, instead he and whoever else decided the oil stick design was "assolutamente fantastico " :idea: and called it a day. As a no mechanic or engineer skill minded person I will never understand the full reasons behind this stupid design. As previously discussed a while back it was made clear by our great Forum member Davren that the design by the manufacturer takes in to account many factors such the positioning of the instrument to be accessible by the driver and to also be positioned away from any moving parts.

Just for reference to people who have not seen this amazing design, here is an EPER picture which Yellow peril highlighted a few weeks back.

EDIT: My bad, what i was meant to say is that it does not have an oil level sensor, apologies :p
 

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All engines are suppose to have a sensor if oil pressure is way below right? I mean you should be getting low oil pressure or whatever if it's dangerously low.

I only check the level once every 2 or 3 months, and yes, in case you don't leave the car over night you don't get an accurate reading. I only check it so rarely because I think there's a system that will warn me that my engine is going bye bye, isn't there?
Yes there is and I drove 80000 kms with my oil pump intake ripped off swimming in the sump because of the sump being hit and bent and nothing happened so don't worry :) My oil is always above or at maximum I almost never check it and after 10 000 kms or 7,8k actually a 4 liter pan gets full after draining...
 
All engines are suppose to have a sensor if oil pressure is way below right? I mean you should be getting low oil pressure or whatever if it's dangerously low.

I only check the level once every 2 or 3 months, and yes, in case you don't leave the car over night you don't get an accurate reading. I only check it so rarely because I think there's a system that will warn me that my engine is going bye bye, isn't there?

Oil pressure and level are different things. Once the low pressure light come on its often to late and the damage is already done ;)
 
Oil pressure and level are different things. Once the low pressure light come on its often to late and the damage is already done ;)
That is not necessarily true. The low oil pressure warning comes when the pressure drops below 0.3 bar, driving constantly with such pressure may of course cause premature wear but this situation is very unlikely, the oil pump is either working or not working. Other scenario - you drive over a big boulder, rupture your sump, oil pressure warning comes up, you turn the engine off - no damage has been done. Having a low oil level won't cause any wear or damage either unless the level is too low for the pump to reach it. I think you should be more worried over the change intervals you guys have 12k-20k miles.. is just too incredible for me :)

 
I think you need to rethink that. My car is nursing a big end failure for doing exactly what people are saying in this thread. If the oil pressure light comes on then you are completely ruining the engine. Check your oil on a weekly basis or be sorry like me.
 
I think you need to rethink that. My car is nursing a big end failure for doing exactly what people are saying in this thread. If the oil pressure light comes on then you are completely ruining the engine. Check your oil on a weekly basis or be sorry like me.
The problem with the 2.4 is quite different, I think, it's more of a design/engineering flaw. I heard a story at the fiat dealership in my hometown where a guy ruined his brand new 2.4 not having done 10000kms just like that - the engine seized and the crankshaft's ruined. I drove with a broken suction of the oil pump which was floating in my sump for 80000kms and nothing happened, I got low oil pressure warnings in hard turns from time to time and I am still driving my car and I still will for hundreds of thousands of kilometers I am sure - I won't hesitate to post here if my engine's suddenly seized:) My grandfather's driving an old Russian car build in the early 70's and he's always used unigrade oil which easily freezes in the winter and the oil pressure light goes away only after a couple of minutes until the oil's unfrozen .. the car has done almost 200 000kms so far, so in my opinion it's highly dependent on engine design. What exactly happened with your car?
 
That is not necessarily true. The low oil pressure warning comes when the pressure drops below 0.3 bar, driving constantly with such pressure may of course cause premature wear but this situation is very unlikely, the oil pump is either working or not working. Other scenario - you drive over a big boulder, rupture your sump, oil pressure warning comes up, you turn the engine off - no damage has been done. Having a low oil level won't cause any wear or damage either unless the level is too low for the pump to reach it. I think you should be more worried over the change intervals you guys have 12k-20k miles.. is just too incredible for me :)


Regardless of oil pump you forget that pressure an drop for a whole manner of reasons, including block filter and bypass valve.

I can assure you, the majority of people who use the pressure light as a level warning are on a hiding to nothing and either already have killed a car doing this or are on their way to doing to.
 
Regardless of oil pump you forget that pressure an drop for a whole manner of reasons, including block filter and bypass valve.

I can assure you, the majority of people who use the pressure light as a level warning are on a hiding to nothing and either already have killed a car doing this or are on their way to doing to.
That's true, it could also receive some damage from a nuclear strike nearby, it's just not that likely to happen and I doubt that it was the oil filter that seized the 2.4. You said it yourself - there is a bypass valve. Tell me about one scenario where you receive a low oil pressure warning and the engine's already ruined? What happened beforehand?... and as I said before: is the low oil pressure a consequence of some damage that occurred beforehand or was it the CAUSE for it to happen, because I think we're talking about different things here.
 
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