General Stilo JTD engine takes a long time to warm up

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General Stilo JTD engine takes a long time to warm up

depends how highly rated the socket is... 150 watts at 12 volt is only 12.5 amps.

the stilos 20amp circuit capability should be more than man enough to run one of those heaters for as long as you liked!
 
Left mine idling for ten this morning, outside was zero. There was enough heat to put warm air in the car. Temp guage was between quarter and half up and down as usual.

Noticed at the weekend Aldi have heated car seat pads for fifteen quid.
 
You need something like an eberspacher or webasto heater, thet is what the fiat optional heater is. I belive Ford Focus, and Rovers have these fitted, along with Range Rovers etc, It's due to the fact disels are more efficent and do not get as hot, the Additional heater top it up. Have a look on the web people fit them to landrovers etc
 
diesel heaters are AWESOME!!! they're fitted to all 'sleeper' cabs and they kick some heat when they get going! problem is you cant use em out of trucks without getting a 24v power supply to em :(
 
we used to have webastos heaters on our coaches (when i used to drive them) many moons ago, and they are one of the best inventions ever for a coach.
The real difference between petrol and diesel warm up period is the metal the blocks are made from if memory serves.
modern petrols are made from cast aluminum alloy and diesels are still cast iron, thus the weight difference between the two.
Aluminum alloy is far more efficient at heat transferre than cast iron so the coolent gets heated up quicker in the aluminum block than it does in the cast iron block.
Its been over 20 years since i done my car mechanics course but this is one thing that stuck in my mind all these years later.
im pretty sure thats the case on the stilos unless someone who know beter could tell me if they are in fact alloy on the diesel units.

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also another thought, when doing oil changes on both 1.6 and 1.9jtd the diesel takes about 5 litres of oil and the petrol is around 4, also the coolent is around double the amount on the diesel.
 
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You can get 12v Eberspachers and webasto "night heaters" I belive the Rovers use a Webasto Thermo75. So you may get one from a scarp yard, not sure how it plugs in on a Stilo, Landrover is a different matter as I dont mind chopiing bits about on that. Also a landrover tends to run a two battery system, so you can still start the car, and not end up with a flat battery.

Dose anyone have anymore info on the Fiat one?

You can even get ones that you can call from your mobile to start up so the car is defrosted and warm, for when you get off the train. These are cab heaters, you can also get ones that plug into the coolant system and will warm the block up. Looking at the Fiat pic It looks like that heats the block and pushes heat out via the Cars vents and heater..
 
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Other than all the debate going about after market heating and or demister system, you will all notice by my flag I live in a historically colder climate ;)
Whether it is true or not not to leave your car idling on cold start, I keep that in mind always. With my previous VW Sharan 1.9 Tdi or my current Stilo 1.9 JTD I am driving in 5 minutes flat, the VW took ages to heat up and get the heat going, the Stilo is a bit quicker especially with the heated seats and my drive time is only 10 minutes to work, even with heavy fog, so be it -22° C (which is cold;)) I am still off in 5 minutes.

My secret is.......
or a variation of this

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PREMIUM-I...ssories_Car_Care_Cleaning&hash=item3f0e5f81f3

Oh in my Stilo I have the Climatronic or whatever you call it so pushing the demister button really gets the fan and heat going
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Other than all the debate going about after market heating and or demister system, you will all notice by my flag I live in a historically colder climate ;)
Whether it is true or not not to leave your car idling on cold start, I keep that in mind always. With my previous VW Sharan 1.9 Tdi or my current Stilo 1.9 JTD I am driving in 5 minutes flat, the VW took ages to heat up and get the heat going, the Stilo is a bit quicker especially with the heated seats and my drive time is only 10 minutes to work, even with heavy fog, so be it -22° C (which is cold;)) I am still off in 5 minutes.

My secret is.......
or a variation of this

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PREMIUM-ICE-SCRAPER-RUBBER-BLADE-CAR-WINDSCREEN-SNOW-FROST-STAINLESS-STEEL-/270824079859?pt=UK_Car_Accessories_Car_Care_Cleaning&hash=item3f0e5f81f3

Oh in my Stilo I have the Climatronic or whatever you call it so pushing the demister button really gets the fan and heat going
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Wow - where do you live in Austria, I've been there on numerous business trips in the Alps (driving from Munich) and the coldest I've ever seen in Kitzbühel while skiing was like -13 in late December :) I thought you have quite a mild climate.
 
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Wow - where do you live in Austria, I've been there on numerous business trips in the Alps (driving from Munich) and the coldest I've ever seen in Kitzbühel while skiing was like -13 in late December :) I thought you have quite a mild climate.

:)Near Graz, we actually have good weather here (low lying) but seen it hit -22°C for a day or 2 every winter but -15° to -17°C is what it is on the colder spells, am dreading it but it happens and is part of life here.

Don't forget when you in the area to look me up, I am always ready to share some great Austrian beer with fellow enthusiasts ;)

EDIT..Actually December is good, wait for February...got to keep the privates warm ;)
 
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Is there additional electric heater in Stilo ?

It is additional electric heater in Stilo. Inside the heater matrix.

Supplementary heater system available for JTDs. It contains three resistances.
 

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I will try to retro fit on my Stilo. I'll see if i can get it to work as a factory one, or i will add some relays and a switch to be manually controlled when i need it.
 
Has anyone managed to figure out how to install the electric auxiliary heater as shown above ?? And does anyone know if this shape/type or heating element is common with any other model or brand ??

The winter is coming and I want to retrofit this if i can !!

Thanks in advance !!

Phil.
 
The additional electric heater element was only fitted as standard to very early Stilos with the JTD engine. From November 2002 it was an optional extra.

I believe it was only fitted (or available as an option) on Stilos with the JTD engine because it uses so much current that it would need the higher capacity battery and higher output alternators that are fitted to the JTD.

The heater element fits into a cutout in the right side of the heater casing. Vehicles without the electric element don't have the cutout, but a blanking panel that's moulded as part of the casing. To retro fit the element, you would need to cut the blanking panel out and devise a method of fitting the element and sealing it to the casing.
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The additional electric heater element was only fitted as standard to very early Stilos with the JTD engine. From November 2002 it was an optional extra.

I believe it was only fitted (or available as an option) on Stilos with the JTD engine because it uses so much current that it would need the higher capacity battery and higher output alternators that are fitted to the JTD.

The heater element fits into a cutout in the right side of the heater casing. Vehicles without the electric element don't have the cutout, but a blanking panel that's moulded as part of the casing. To retro fit the element, you would need to cut the blanking panel out and devise a method of fitting the element and sealing it to the casing.
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So my early 2003 JTD MW won't have had one, but I wonder if all the wiring is in place ?? The heating element looks the same as the one used on some Peugeot's, and its a simple heating element rather than one with any "CAN" connections like some of the Ford and VW ones.

Does anyone know if you have to "tell" the Body controller that the heater is there ?? I might have to speak to my friend with an examiner and ask him.

Phil.
 
Does anyone know if you have to "tell" the Body controller that the heater is there ?? I might have to speak to my friend with an examiner and ask him.

Phil.

I suspect your best bet for ease etc would be to just wire it into a separate switch for yourself and run it independently of the CANbus system.
 
I suspect your best bet for ease etc would be to just wire it into a separate switch for yourself and run it independently of the CANbus system.

I was hoping as it is a simple heater element with relay control and a simple circuit that the "logic" would already exist and it would "work" if I wired it up.

I know on the later VW and Fords the electric heater is controlled by a PWM signal from the body controller so it has to be "enabled" in the body controller, but as this looks so simple I was hoping not to have to bugger about in the Examiner to turn it on.

This is all hypothetical at the moment of course...............

Phil.
 
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