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repro99

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Hi
I've only had the car a week now but the remote locking has never worked,
its a Stilo 1.2 Active 03 plate,

i have 2 keys 1 is just the standard "flip key" the other has the remote locking buttons on it,
both keys work the doors manually and the ignition its just the remote side of things that don't work,

have changed the battery in the key fob, the l.e.d. does flash when pressed, i don't even know if this model of Stilo has the remote facility on it, and if so can you program the remote side of the key without going to a Fiat Stealer ?

I have done this in the past with other makes just not sure about the Fiats, any info would be much appreciated

Cheers.
 
gm use search - how to register a key has been explained many times

haven't seen a stilo without rcl - it's standard

most likelly your rcl board in key is defective
 
i did search and read the other thread,
but thought it was more about programming the key rather than the remote,
key works fine,
or did I just not get it ?,
the way I perceived it was that it is on two different circuits one for the manual key that does the alarm and immobiliser and the other for the remote locking
I understand the immobiliser side of it would need to be done at a dealer,
but the remote side of it wasn't explained too well,

sorry if I've started an unnecessary thread
some people cant help being thick (lol)
 
rcl board in the key is easily registered - immobiliser chip cannot be reprogrammed - it has to be made specifically for your vehicle (via the dealer). Going back to rcl..
1) put your second key (one without rcl) into ignition barrel and turn it to mil position (position key is in while driving)
2) ensure everything powers on but engine is not running
3) click the open (if no response try close) button on remote – car should open (or try to.. locks would still click)

at this point your rcl should register and work. If it does not - either your rcl board in the key is damaged or you’ve some other problem (i've 2 keys with remote - 1 has lasted 5 years and stopped working..but light still come on..)

Stilos (as far as i am aware) have rcl built into the flip out key case.. if you've something dangling - chances are it is an aftermarket alarm remote control (i could be wrong though.. it might’ve been possible to order a separate rcl control..)
 
Cheers for that

but it still not working, must be goosed,
both keys are proper fiat ones, (no dangly bits),
just need to get used to it my Brava hasn't got it either
but at least the Volvo does

Thanks for the help,
 
gm.. it is possible remote in both keys is broken (they are really sensitive - a drop here and there destroys them quite easily) but if you wish to take this further - pay a fiat approved garage to diagnose the problem (30 min diagnostic charge is about £35). Also check your fuses ;-)

good luck dude
 
right here is the fix...............................

1. disconnect battery
2. leave for half an hour..............that's what I did
3. reconnect battery and try keys again :eek: fixed

if all fails take key code card, both keys & log book, drive to nearest friendly fiat stealers and get keys reprogrammed using examiner
 
Only a slightly different slant, several people are selling use 3 button remote keys on eBay.

If I transplant all the bits (blade and imobiliser bit/chip) from my none remote key into one of these 3 button remote keys brought off of eBay, would the remote be programmable to my cars RCL system using the above processes listed, and will the immobiliser be de-activated properly (I would have thought so if all the bits are transplanted properly :confused:).

Jon.
 
it depends.. i never saw any reason it shouldn't (use search.. again.. hehe) but it's been suggested that a different algorithm or hardcoded start point may be used in different models (based on, possibly, year of manufacture). But it is worth a go (you don't need to do anything to a key for it to register with rcl.. find some1 with a stilo and try his or, preferably, her key :D)
 
Mine packed in today, one minute it was working, 10 mins later it wasn't. No reason why it stopped, not dropped or anything.

So changed the remote battery and nothing, light flashes on remote when I press a button but doesn't lock or unlock.

So cracked out the battery for 40mins, stuck it on charge just for the sake of it. Not change when I refitted the battery.

Also tried the 2 key technique as described above and nothing.

So what now? There is no way in hell I'm paying FIat £150 to fix it, its gotta be something simple? Oh yean and I bought my car new, and I remember clearly asking if there was a keycard with the car and the Fiat dealer said that there is no keycard for the Stilo.

Oh yeah and what fuses should I be checking? There is nothing mentioned in the manual about which fuse is for the remote central locking.
 
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StiloBoy said:
Mine packed in today, one minute it was working, 10 mins later it wasn't. No reason why it stopped, not dropped or anything.

So changed the remote battery and nothing, light flashes on remote when I press a button but doesn't lock or unlock.

So cracked out the battery for 40mins, stuck it on charge just for the sake of it. Not change when I refitted the battery.

Also tried the 2 key technique as described above and nothing.

So what now? There is no way in hell I'm paying FIat £150 to fix it, its gotta be something simple? Oh yean and I bought my car new, and I remember clearly asking if there was a keycard with the car and the Fiat dealer said that there is no keycard for the Stilo.

Oh yeah and what fuses should I be checking? There is nothing mentioned in the manual about which fuse is for the remote central locking.
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hey everyone, whilst yous are at it my remote key chucked it about 3 months ago, iv changed the remote battery & the car battery due to age (left it disconnected for 3 hours to see it that would work, plus iv contact cleanered d4 connector & ecu connectors, no joy. iv tried the non remote key in the ign. barrel & the remote key in the door lock, still nothing :confused:.
im thinking about a fuse maybe maxi or midi fuse? anybody know what 1 the remote possible goes through? how do you know if a maxi or midi fuse isnt working?
on the top middle of the dashboard where it meets the windscreen theres a small round plastic bit, is that a receiver for the remote? or is the receiver the antena on the ignistion barrel? or is it in the door locking mechanism? i would love to sort this problem without it costing megabucks.
 
Well I phoned Arnold Clark today, booked car in tomorrow, its driving me up the wall, walking away from the car, plipping the button then realising its not locked and having to walk back and get the key out my pocket. Its amazing what you grow used to with your car lol.

So Arnold Clark are gonna do a diagnostic, £45+vat to see what the problem is. I've to take in both of my keys, fingers crossed they can get it working without too much more expense, its the last thing I need considering the time of year.
 
StiloBoy said:
Well I phoned Arnold Clark today, booked car in tomorrow, its driving me up the wall, walking away from the car, plipping the button then realising its not locked and having to walk back and get the key out my pocket. Its amazing what you grow used to with your car lol.

So Arnold Clark are gonna do a diagnostic, £45+vat to see what the problem is. I've to take in both of my keys, fingers crossed they can get it working without too much more expense, its the last thing I need considering the time of year.
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hey stiloboy. if you dont mind, let us know what they find. try getting a hold of the mechanic to pick his brains for possible causes & cheap diy fixes ;). its a pain trying to get my 2 year old to stand on the pavement whilst i go to the drivers side to unlock it cos my passengers side doesnt have a key lock! cheers, good luck :).
 
StiloBoy said:
I sure will, hopefully I'll have good news to report.
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hey. another thing could you ask him where on the car is the receiver for the key fob & how can the car fall out with the key for no reason, cheers. il log on tomorrow, take it easy. (y)
 
I believe the reciever is under the round bit if you look through the windscreen at the front edge.

But yeah I will be asking why a key/car can loose their connection to one another. Oh yeah, and why the hell should I be paying for something that shouldn't break.
 
Well the car is back, and the problem ISN'T fixed.

Typical Arnold Clark of course. I'm told that they key has packed in and that I need a new one. I ask again, how can it be "working" one minute then "broken" the next. Engineer replies, they sometimes pack in. Cool £51.75 for you to tell me they "sometimes break".... Hell yeah, its farking Christmas afterall you've got starving bairns to feed eh! Prick!

Anyway, I'm told I'll get a breakdown of the cost of repair.

I arrive and the breakdown is basically £227.60 for a new key and code.

So I say, well thats not a breakdown thats just a price! How much is it for the key, and how much is it for the code. Because I can probable source the key myself and then i'd only need the re-code.

Off scuttles the shop staff to find out! She comes back with, its £167.91 +vat for the key!

Again I ask, ok so I asked you how much is it for the code... can you find out that now?

So she scuttles again, she returns with "its £10". Cool thats more reasonable, I'll buy a replacement key from somewhere cheaper and you can code it for me.

"oh do you mean a second hand key?" Yes I reply, "oh that won't work, you can't recode a key that not for your car!".

Utter pish surely? If I get a replacement key, strip out the transponder imobiliser and they ignition blade and reassemble in a replacement remote key fob how the hell are they going to magically know its a different key? Surely its just an eprom that holds the code?

Anyone? Anyone tried buying a 2nd hand key and having it coded? Because although I'll miss "remote" locking, I won't £167.91+vat miss it.
 
StiloBoy said:
Well the car is back, and the problem ISN'T fixed.

Typical Arnold Clark of course. I'm told that they key has packed in and that I need a new one. I ask again, how can it be "working" one minute then "broken" the next. Engineer replies, they sometimes pack in. Cool £51.75 for you to tell me they "sometimes break".... Hell yeah, its farking Christmas afterall you've got starving bairns to feed eh! Prick!

Anyway, I'm told I'll get a breakdown of the cost of repair.

I arrive and the breakdown is basically £227.60 for a new key and code.

So I say, well thats not a breakdown thats just a price! How much is it for the key, and how much is it for the code. Because I can probable source the key myself and then i'd only need the re-code.

Off scuttles the shop staff to find out! She comes back with, its £167.91 +vat for the key!

Again I ask, ok so I asked you how much is it for the code... can you find out that now?

So she scuttles again, she returns with "its £10". Cool thats more reasonable, I'll buy a replacement key from somewhere cheaper and you can code it for me.

"oh do you mean a second hand key?" Yes I reply, "oh that won't work, you can't recode a key that not for your car!".

Utter pish surely? If I get a replacement key, strip out the transponder imobiliser and they ignition blade and reassemble in a replacement remote key fob how the hell are they going to magically know its a different key? Surely its just an eprom that holds the code?

Anyone? Anyone tried buying a 2nd hand key and having it coded? Because although I'll miss "remote" locking, I won't £167.91+vat miss it.
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hey stiloboy, cheers for the feed back! (y). packed in? 4year apprentiseship to come up with that nonsense! did he say if the rcl or ecu had any keys registered to it? thats pants about the price! good about the code! i remember getting a sticker with numbers on it when i got the car new, if i remember right it was on a letter, it said dont loose this. im sure i stuck it inside the orange manual folder! il go to the car soon & see wtf it is.
i here what you say about the replacement fob, would be good if it worked!!!

im thinking,
1/ it might not work if you swapped blade & imobiliser chip to a second hand fob with rcl because if you had another stilo fob(say a friends) in your hand with your normal broken fob in lock & your second key in ign barrel on mil position & it did register, that would mean your friends key would unlock both cars. does that make sense?

2/it might not work if you had a friends good fob in the lock & your second key in ign barrel on mil position, i dont think it would register because its a foreign key, does that make sense or have i lost the plot? :confused:
 
Yeah you've lost the plot. I'm not saying I'd get a second hand fob and assume it worked, I'm saying transfer over my imobilisor (the little glass tube inside the key), and the blade (i.e. the ignition key part of the key unit) and then take the newly assembled key to a garage and ask them to code it to the car. ;)

But I won't be doing jack until someone on this site says if they've done it, and if it worked.
 
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