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One can live in hope

Does seem to come on when brakes are on, and I noticed the other day the cruise didn't work with the error on, which of course a faulty brake switch would cause. I do hope so!

Got a banging coming from the left wheel suspension when going over uneven roads, like a loose metal rod or something, roll on the Stilo faults

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did the fault not happen once on motorway...i.e. no cruise/brake used?

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Yeah it did, well remembered

Thats what makes me worry, well we'll see what happens. Damned car!

asr/esp waring light

all of a sudden the asr and esp warning is beeping saying return to dealer,is there a quick fix for this problem?:

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Have you made any changes to the car?

Do you get it on every start?

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Does it do it all the time or is it just now and again at the first start of the day?

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alpinepg said:

I doubt it! It might go off on its own like my airbag warning does (its a faulty wire......replacement on the way). Just dont take it to a Fiat dealer.....most moden garages will have the diagnostics these days and wont charge £50+ an hour!
I wouldnt worry about driving the car with the light on either....cars didnt even have ESP/ASR until about 5 years ago and survived!

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Sorry Alpine, I have to disagree on that

A lot of problems have been caused through taking Stilos to garages who simply don't understand them (to be fair that can be said of some Fiat dealers). The owner comes away with more problems than he had in the first place plus a lighter wallet. There ARE some good dealers and specialist garages out there but the trick is finding them.

Suggesting anyone should ignore a "RETURN TO DEALER" message is just plain crazy

I guess you might be happy to throw a car around a race track with minimal technology but there are a lot of people out there who wouldn't

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I'm suggesting that he takes it to a reputable garage with the technology. Fiat dealers are like most main dealers...money pits for people wanting problems fixed without worry of cost. They dont employ vastly skilled mechanics, they employ service technicians and send complicated problems elsewhere, but they do have up to date computer programs. I have bad experiences of Toyota, Fiat and Alfa main dealers in the last 10 years. They have financial targets to meet and 'return to dealer' warnings are helping them level the playing field against more capable independant garages. No one with a car more than 3 years old visits a main dealer.....unless they havent a clue about local garages.
As for race cars.....thankfullly the manufacturers have almost no say in any decision made from club motorsport to F1!

While I'm on...the return to dealer warning is a standard message that you get for any fault and has nothing whatsoever to do with the roadworthiness of the vehicle......its a lucrative aftermarket money earner for Fiat when faults appear in their cars.......and ESR etc is not a 'stop driving now' issue by any means....annoying yes....but not worrying. You can turn the damn thing off on every car on the market and most cars on the road dont have it!!!
Anyway....rant over!!!

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cheers for the replies,i have just had it back after having my heater unit replaced,was on the way when it started beeping

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Take it back to whoever repaired it and ask them to look at the problem....tell them it started as soon as yo drove off. Its almost certainl a minor electrical fault. Was it a main dealr by the way?

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"They dont employ vastly skilled mechanics, they employ service technicians and send complicated problems elsewhere"

Sorry chap, but where do fiat dealers send problem cars?

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Ive known main dealers (not Fiat to be fair) send cars to gearbox specialists and send things back unfixed (my own Alpine being an example 4 years ago) because they dont have the resources or cant afford the time.......but I guess by and large these days they tend to order in whole new units (such as engines, gearboxes and ECUs) to repair troublesome cars. Most main dealers are fully occupied with servicing and minor warranty complaints....the Renault garage I took my Alpine to were desperate to attract cash earning repairs and welcomed me.......but they didnt sort it. Thankfully I got out of my lazy phase and fixed it myself!!!!

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Thanks very much for such an informed opinion, without people like you where would we be?

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not taken to a main dealer.it was an auto electrics garage by where i live,will take it back and see what they say,they did the heater unit pretty cheap just hope they will do the same with these

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NumanR said:

Thanks very much for such an informed opinion, without people like you where would we be?

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Its called freedom of speech and democracy and having an opinion and thank god we all are different as this place would be truly boring

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NumanR said:

Thanks very much for such an informed opinion, without people like you where would we be?

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Sorry I should have said all main dealers are wonderful...Ive owned 40 cars and the only main dealer that has ever done anything right was the local Toyota dealer...and it took them 3 attempts . Have you by any chance got anything to do with a local Fiat dealer???? Lets face it Fiat dealers have a far from excellent reputation.....and Ive had contact with 3 and can back that up (aplogies to any excellent Fiat dealers out there).

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No why do you ask?

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alpinepg said:

While I'm on...the return to dealer warning is a standard message that you get for any fault and has nothing whatsoever to do with the roadworthiness of the vehicle......its a lucrative aftermarket money earner for Fiat when faults appear in their cars.......and ESR etc is not a 'stop driving now' issue by any means....annoying yes....but not worrying. You can turn the damn thing off on every car on the market and most cars on the road dont have it!!!

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I can't comment on the "Return to Dealer!" messages as I'm not connected to Fiat, and I've never seen the message anyway, but can't help thinking this could be a dangerous route if you're going to start ignoring warning messages

ESP can't be turned off on the Stilo by any means (that I know of) although ASR can (switch on centre console). ESP, ASR & ABS (and a few other systems) share many common components. There is therefore a risk that a failure in one could lead to a failure in one of the more basic systems. Now I know you're going to say that any competent driver doesn't need ABS anyway (true) but if you really are going to follow the path of ignoring warning messages then don't be surprised if one day you can't stop at all

Approach dealers (or specialists) in a 'street wise' way - yes I agree - but IMO to ignore genuine warnings - I still think that’s crazy :nutter:

Only my view mind you

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wilko1977 said:

cheers for the replies,i have just had it back after having my heater unit replaced,was on the way when it started beeping

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If they disconect battery that could be the cause, the manual says, the cure: start your engine and then move steering wheel one 1/2 turn to the left then to the right, move switch to off, start it again and with luck the fault is gone.

ASR & ESP warning fault

Hello everybody I have been getting a ASR & ESP warning fault lighting up on my dashboard also the light on the ASR button was lit it started yesterday, today I have filled up with diesel and had a pile of shopping in the boot and the warning fault never came on can anyone give me any thoughts on what the problem could be, I have now emptied the boot and the warning has still not come on