(T) Workshop manual

This is the first car I've ever bought where there is just no trace of a workshop manual available. Fiat don't do one either. That's unheard of in my experience! Just what is the score?

I have the Eper parts catalog CD and a Fiat "workshop manual" CD but that's as basic as hell. Isn't there a detailed workshop manual?

Can anyone tell me if the Bravo 1.6 engine is the same as the Stilo 1.6?

Not that we know of - reason why we all post our questions on here, and let some tech guy answer it

Ha! Have you seen the Fiat Bravo forum and they HAVE a manual!
Iread somewhere that the 1.6 Stilo engine was all new yet it is older technology hence no ECU remap possible I guess.

The 1.6 Bravo engine is a thirsty beast that shed cam belts like a snake but I can't see that with the Stilo 1.6 engine at all.

All Fiat manuals are being produced on cd at the moment but that will probably soon be stopped as all the manuals are available online via a secure website for dealers. Updates for cd manuals will probably stop soon.

Well there's cheery news
The Stilo is an extremely popular vehicle in France, Germany, Italy, Spain etc and they even have their own thriving Stilo tuning clubs. I wonder how anyone can maintain or tune anything without a workshop manual

I wonder if this chamber is empty? Click

Dont forget the workshop manuals are for fiat delears only, if haynes bring out something in the future thats up to them. Full workshop manuals have always been so expensive that a member of the public would never buy them anyway.

I wonder why the information regarding Fiat cars needs to be on a "secure" web site.
Quote ePER (Italian translation)
"ePER he is entire usable with common browser an Internet Explorer and is available in various distributions: CDROM, DVD, or via WEB (Fiat Net and, in future, directly via Internet).

Freedom of information bill comes to mind. A person pays for a Fiat product, with all the brand loyalty, faith in the product and customer endorsement of Fiat name. Fiat holds the information that is required regarding the product but refuses to publish or allow that information to be obtained

With respect, I cannot find technical information regarding a video camera, or any other piece of equipment I buy, I dont know of any manufacturer that gives any information away for free regarding repair techniques or technical breakdowns of systems, etc. Haynes have to buy a car, photograph the strip down and rebuild and write instructions. There is nothing stopping them from doing this still. The reason the manuals would be online is that they are easily and cheaply updatable. Fiat have also stated in a service news that if any customer asks for specific technical information the dealer can give it to them. That doesnt, before you ask, mean if you ask for a manual you would get one.

Only joshing with you NumanR but who said anything about giving information for free? People pay £20 and upwards just for Haynes and similar. There's nothing better (and easier for the supplier to maintain) than an up to date web based information service so that's the way things are going. Why Haynes hasn't latched on to Manuals on CD I don't know.

Anyway, do you think if I asked my local Fiat dealers for wiring diagrams for my Stilo 1.6 I'd have a smile on my face?

It depends what you want, but if you approach the dealer and explain then I dont see why they wouldnt help you. After all, dealers would rather have a happy customer, that buys parts, than an unhappy ex-customer!

I'll ask nicely but strapping a few candles with wires around my midrift works wonders usually

you do now http://www.hmaservice.com/

Tell that to the dealers, then - no, not knocking the comment, and tbh, the dealership I deal with is generally ok.

As for charging of advice - how come the price of diagnostics costs so much, and also varies from dealer to dealer? If I was a customer, who had remained faithful to that dealership for 2 cars and numerous services for 3 years, why should I then pay £75 just for it to go onto Examiner?

because people would copy them and sell them on ebay