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hi,i was wondering if anyone has come across a sedici 1.9 diesel,it's not wanting to start,you need to turn it over and over to get it to start it's almost as if you were bleeding it,battery is fine and new,starter motor spins away ok,any help is appreciated,it's a 56 plate 70k,when it's running it's ok,just when it's been sitting for any length of time
 
Our 1.9 diesel can also be reluctant to start. It helps to turn the ignition key to the position where all the dashboard lights come on, wait for a few seconds, and then turn the ignition key fully to turn the engine over.

If we attempt to start the engine without the pause, it sometimes takes 30 seconds or more of cranking before it starts. But with the pause it starts immediately.

I assume that this works because it gives the fuel pump time to pump the fuel from the tank to the engine before you attempt to start it.

Frank
 
thanks for that,still having the issue though went and fitted a new filter,fiat supplied 38 quid,but after it sitting for 5 -10 mins it was the same,you have to wait for the pump to stop and turn it over about 3 times for about 10 -15 secs at a time possibly a bit more,starter motor is ok as is battery,it's as if the fuel is running back,when i took of the pipes the filter to pump seemed to have no fuel in it,the tank to filter was dripping fuel from the filter and the pipe
 
Hi stuckinaffric, did you get to the bottom of your starting problems.

I am still having trouble with my Sedici. Glow plugs, alternator, starter motor, diesel injectors have all been replaced over the last year. On a cold start I have to leave the engine turning for 5 to 8 seconds now. Sometimes I have to stop it turning and try again. I have tested letting the glow plugs heat up, waiting for the light to go out, and repeat a few times, and then try and turn the engine over, with the same problem.

I'm not technical when it comes to car knowledge, but I am thinking it has to be something with the fuel line (I am guessing the pump is fine as I have no issues once the engine is running).

I've got to the point when I might well cut my losses and trade the car in next year, if it survives the winter!
 
jook said:
Hi stuckinaffric, did you get to the bottom of your starting problems.

I am still having trouble with my Sedici. Glow plugs, alternator, starter motor, diesel injectors have all been replaced over the last year. On a cold start I have to leave the engine turning for 5 to 8 seconds now. Sometimes I have to stop it turning and try again. I have tested letting the glow plugs heat up, waiting for the light to go out, and repeat a few times, and then try and turn the engine over, with the same problem.

I'm not technical when it comes to car knowledge, but I am thinking it has to be something with the fuel line (I am guessing the pump is fine as I have no issues once the engine is running).

I've got to the point when I might well cut my losses and trade the car in next year, if it survives the winter!
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get the rail pressures checked,
as low pressures will make starting difficult,

see STILO section - as same JTD ;)
Charlie
 
mine has always be a poor starter from cold, two goes on the glow plugs and a bit of extra cranking always gets it going but it's less than perfect.

I'm going to try fitting new glow plugs in a couple of weeks and hopefully that'll sort it, if not is the pressure check.

on another note i've just changed both rear dampers to find the old ones were OK in case anyone needs a spare in a rush. Had to wait 4 weeks to get replacements delivered so don't believe any of the mains suppliers who say they have them available for delivery - they don't.
 
varesecrazy said:
get the rail pressures checked,
as low pressures will make starting difficult,

see STILO section - as same JTD ;)
Charlie
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Leak back test showed that the diesel injectors were failing. They were replaced but the problem was still happening. Another leak back test revealed that one of the new injectors was failing! These have just been replaced under warranty, but the garage has just informed me that the car is still struggling to start.

I honestly have no idea what else to do now. The garage is asking questions about the camshaft sensor. Could that really cause this issue? I feel like I have just wasted so much money on this car.
 
jook said:
Leak back test showed that the diesel injectors were failing. They were replaced but the problem was still happening. Another leak back test revealed that one of the new injectors was failing! These have just been replaced under warranty, but the garage has just informed me that the car is still struggling to start.

I honestly have no idea what else to do now. The garage is asking questions about the camshaft sensor. Could that really cause this issue? I feel like I have just wasted so much money on this car.
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hi,
rail pressures are ( or should be) HUGE and are generated by a pump..the pumps wear over time.., a failing pump and / or low cranking speeds lead to LOW rail pressures and poor starting..,

so what rail pressures have you got..??:confused:
1, Cranking
2, running / idling
 
sorry it has taken so long to reply,thankfully ok for now,glow plugs were replaced,this made it start a little better,then starter motor,it cranks over first time now,only thing is now the alternator has gone,replaced with a denso unit from euro car parts,i notice now that there is a bit of movement on the damper pulley and a bit of a noise so this will have to be replaced soon,costly exercise on the whole,starter motor sounded ok as well,but fitting the new one certainly did the buisness,many thanks for the replys
 
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Hi, I have a stating issue but not the same that's been mentioned. When I start the car it seems like the battery is flat and is struggling to turn the engine over but it eventually starts, this had got progressively worse. I have checked the battery and it's 12.8 volts, I have checked the battery terminals. Not sure if it's the starter as it has never clicked but turns over slowly like a power deficiency. You advise would be welcome
 
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Phbray said:
Hi, I have a stating issue but not the same that's been mentioned. When I start the car it seems like the battery is flat and is struggling to turn the engine over but it eventually starts, this had got progressively worse. I have checked the battery and it's 12.8 volts, I have checked the battery terminals. Not sure if it's the starter as it has never clicked but turns over slowly like a power deficiency. You advise would be welcome
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Only A YEAR late.. :/

Probably either a lazy starter.
OR the earth cable breaking down internally.. only too common :(
 
Perfect timing, I picked up a Sedici last week, glow plugs replaced last week & oil change but I think it's a lack of running & choked up system that's caused my slow starting. I've run a bottle of Lucas diesel deep clean, was really smoking after a run at the weekend so it's cleared something out of the system! This morning it started much easier than previous mornings too :D Just the drivers window left to sort now!
 
I have the same trouble. it seems the ecu is ignoring the signal from the glow plug control unit so they don't heat up before starting. Cant remember which wires it was but they are on the wiring diagram, i bridged them and put a switch in the cabin. hold switch down for a few seconds and it starts ok
 
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