Technical Fiat Scudo 120 Multijet 2008 Nightmare

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Technical Fiat Scudo 120 Multijet 2008 Nightmare

AJ1968

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This scudo is doing my head in :bang: When i bought it over the internet from miles away never again! I meet the dealer half way and drove home, It had no power and chuffed out black smoke took it to garage had new Air mass meter, Egr valve, New turbo & Intercooler, Map sensor, It then had lots of power and pulled well but still chuffed out black smoke, had the cat knocked out as well, Now after two weeks it has really started to smoke bad with some blue smoke as well, The engine seems to be breathing excessively into the turbo side not the intercooler side as it did before, anybody had the same trouble or know a Fiat technician? :confused:
 
mileage was 123,000 when i bought it now done 128,000 high but has full history
 
Hi all i have a news update on this problem riddled scudo! injectors now been removed the two middle ones had wet ends with some carbon build up so sent them off to be tested, also removed the rocker/inlet manifold cover it has a soft carbon build up so probabley a bit short of air which wont help with the smoking.

Buy the way i had this smoking problem with 2005 Peugeot Expert E7 Taxi which also had this soft carbon build up as well! I should of learnt my lesson then(n) and steered well clear of these french things, Its engine siezed at 230,000 miles and that had been serviced correctly too :cry:

It has to be said there just not the back bone of britain :eek:
 
No not yet just waiting to see what the results are on the injectors.

I have a friend who has the same model as mine he has had it from new his has done 170,000 miles and has been serviced as recomended by Fiat i.e oil and filters every 20,000 mile with fully synthetic oil and his one has knackerd camshafts and put the follower through the head! He has been told aprox £3000 to repair :eek: the garage said they need the oil and filters changing every 10,000 miles to stop this premature wear.

Keep ya posted
 
Yes the camshafts, Injectors have been tested all OK so compression test next to see whats happening there.
 
If there are any Fiat specialists out there or anyone who has had this problem with a Fiat Scudo 2.0 multijet i would like to hear from you please.

The saga continues now been to Fiat had EGR software update made no difference what so ever! No fault codes and they dont have the first idea what is wrong with it Great!!

So Its had New EGR, Turbo, Intercooler, Airmass meter, MAF sensor, Fuel temperature sensor, Injectors tested all OK, de-cat in case blocked.

Overview of the problems, when you first start it white smoke from exhaust also sounds a bit diesel nocky, under acceleration black smokes like hell and judders i.e misfires badly between 2000 to 3000 rpm in every gear and is only doing 25 mpg at best! and doesn't use any oil the odd thing is it will still do 90 mph not that i drive that fast generally.

Also the problem did go away for approx 3000 miles for no apparent reason and it was running perfect then it came back again for no apparent reason its a mystery:confused:

Nobody seems to have any idea what going on with it :bang:

I am on the verge of saying sod it and replacing the engine my only worry is that the fault lies with one of the ancillaries? this must be the worst and most expensive and elusive fault ever.

Any help or advice from a Fiat diesel specialist would be welcome.
 
If there are any Fiat specialists out there or anyone who has had this problem with a Fiat Scudo 2.0 multijet i would like to hear from you please.

The saga continues now been to Fiat had EGR software update made no difference what so ever! No fault codes and they dont have the first idea what is wrong with it Great!!

So Its had New EGR, Turbo, Intercooler, Airmass meter, MAF sensor, Fuel temperature sensor, Injectors tested all OK, de-cat in case blocked.

Overview of the problems, when you first start it white smoke from exhaust also sounds a bit diesel nocky, under acceleration black smokes like hell and judders i.e misfires badly between 2000 to 3000 rpm in every gear and is only doing 25 mpg at best! and doesn't use any oil the odd thing is it will still do 90 mph not that i drive that fast generally.

Also the problem did go away for approx 3000 miles for no apparent reason and it was running perfect then it came back again for no apparent reason its a mystery:confused:

Nobody seems to have any idea what going on with it :bang:

I am on the verge of saying sod it and replacing the engine my only worry is that the fault lies with one of the ancillaries? this must be the worst and most expensive and elusive fault ever.

Any help or advice from a Fiat diesel specialist would be welcome.

I'm no expert whatsoever but I would have the timing solenoid checked. It's a known problem with older models apparantly.

Also, where are you based? If Scotland, I could recommend a garage that would be able to help further.
 
The saga continues now been to Fiat had EGR software update made no difference what so ever! No fault codes and they dont have the first idea what is wrong with it Great!!

If you mean a 'dealer' by 'Fiat' then they (the dealer) should be seeking technical assistance and not just giving up! What garage (dealer) is it? (PM me if you prefer)
 
If you still have receipts and records of the hassle your having this is what you can do.

Its the law and an act so your your completely covered. The sold as seen is
bo-lacks your covered by this. It seems to me your vehicle was never fit for purpose, or as advertised so the dealer is liable under the consumer act. Have a read and make the decision for your self....

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Governm...ights/Buyingacar-yourconsumerrights/DG_183047
 
Hi all thank you for your feedback i am very interested in the not fit for purpose comment, I have been back to the garage today we have decided it now appears to have a diesel knock coming on which points towards an injector problem which would explane the black smoke as well

The odd thing is though the injectors had been sent off for testing and they came back OK previously! So i guess here we go again :(

Its getting beyond a joke now!

keep you posted.
 
If your "knocking" is like an old taxi / transit noise, then don't ignore the timing solenoid, it's a simple fix yet many garages are unable to identify this problem.
 
OK i will look into that! Iam not sure if this model has that as it a 2.0 16 valve Hdi not a 1.9 engine they are totally different.
 
If there are any Fiat specialists out there or anyone who has had this problem with a Fiat Scudo 2.0 multijet i would like to hear from you please.

The saga continues now been to Fiat had EGR software update made no difference what so ever! No fault codes and they dont have the first idea what is wrong with it Great!!

So Its had New EGR, Turbo, Intercooler, Airmass meter, MAF sensor, Fuel temperature sensor, Injectors tested all OK, de-cat in case blocked.

Overview of the problems, when you first start it white smoke from exhaust also sounds a bit diesel nocky, under acceleration black smokes like hell and judders i.e misfires badly between 2000 to 3000 rpm in every gear and is only doing 25 mpg at best! and doesn't use any oil the odd thing is it will still do 90 mph not that i drive that fast generally.

Also the problem did go away for approx 3000 miles for no apparent reason and it was running perfect then it came back again for no apparent reason its a mystery:confused:

Nobody seems to have any idea what going on with it :bang:

I am on the verge of saying sod it and replacing the engine my only worry is that the fault lies with one of the ancillaries? this must be the worst and most expensive and elusive fault ever.

Any help or advice from a Fiat diesel specialist would be welcome.

Hi again thought i would give you all an update!

Finally the good news! got to the bottom of this problematic Scudo 120 Multijet! Basically what has happened is one of the camshaft followers has fell apart causing valve opening problems i.e over fueling and smoking which in turn has caused the head to seriously carbon up hence it runs like crap.

The bad news is its a really expensive repair! I have three choices, one a new engine, two a good second hand engine hard to find! or three a head rebuild which is as expensive as i have previously metioned from a friends scudo £3000+ coincidently the same problem and of course if you change the engine you have to replace the dual mass fly wheel and clutch while its all out £££££

Love the looks and the drive but what a pile of crap!! All i can say is i hope they have improved the latest models because this is just shocking engine quality! All to reduce engine emissions thats what it all comes down to and of course the price of manufacture (n)

I hope all this is informative and maybe might help another poor Scudo multijet owner one day.
 
Hi thought i would post an update, Removed camshafts, followers and lifters today! Well i honestly dont know how this thing was running seven lifters Knackerd!! :eek: one rocker was off the the valve and lifter with a seized bearing just laying in the head, two others the centre roller bearings were missing fell apart :eek: also laying in the head and the four others the roller bearings were seized as well, The cam lobes mullerd.

This has aparently been caused by the oil changes being to far apart i.e 20.000 mile service intervals as suggested by fiat! This is the same problem that my friend had which i posted about previously cost him £3000+

The moral to the story is change the oil every 10-12000 miles max or you could be in for a big suprise!
 
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I'm currently having the same problems you are having and i'm no where near skilled enough to fix it myself and no way i can afford £3000+ ... heart braking!

no idea what to do apart from drive it until it dies, only thing i get different is mine brakes down at random months apart. The engine just cuts out with "anti pollution" warning message dose not instantly re start, but it will eventually start and then drives like nothings happened. then the warning light goes out the next day!
 
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