[mountainmachine]

Will be interesting to see how they approach it, as you say it will need to be up datable, i guess they might be able to reduce piracy, ie you cant just copy your mates card, but i wouldnt imagine they'll be able to stop it from happening.

[OXCiD3]

Originally Posted by mountainmachine Will be interesting to see how they approach it, as you say it will need to be up datable, i guess they might be able to reduce piracy, ie you cant just copy your mates card, but i wouldnt imagine they'll be able to stop it from happening.

yo be honest i got thinking about this, assuming you can still buy maps and put them on an SD card, then surely you would still be able to copy someone elses card and put it in the slot...?

perhaps this isn't an anti piracy move, but a cheap move, atm every TT comes with an SD card, this means that for every unit they dont have to pay £6 or whatever it costs them to get cards made, it's probibly not even that expencive but if you think large scale, that's alot of money they are saving...

[mountainmachine]

Yea could be, they could also say that if the say provide a 256Mb today, by next month they'll be able to get 1Gb for the same price, so no point them holding 1000's of them in stock etc. As long as that saving is passed on to the consumer. As i'm guessing no one here actually owns any of theses models that dont come with them then were just speculating.

Personally i dont mind if they dont come with an SD card, i know where to get them cheap, but many people will think PC World is where to get them!

[OXCiD3]

Originally Posted by mountainmachine ome with an SD card, i know where to get them cheap, but many people will think PC World is where to get them!

yeah at £40 a ****... screw that i got my 2GB official Sony Memory Stick Due for £10 brand new. and my 2GB Compact flash for £12.

you can pick up GB SD's for aroud the same price anyway now

[wotnowarninglight]

Originally Posted by Liam Obviously updates would be done via the web on legit machines as currently TT say it's good practice to backup the card type units to your pc once a month. Liam

I think you have hit the nail on the head there... probably work like Microsoft updates, where they check you have a legitimate copy of the operating system before letting you download anything! A mate asked to copy my memory card for his Original TTOne (I have TTOne Europe New Ver.) but wouldnt entertain it just in case of problems, not being too familiar with Sat Navs.

The only thing that worries me is that there is a 'new' new version out already, with kids and step kids etc., I dont have £200 to spend on gizmos very often and was hoping that the product life cycle is a little longer that your average mobile... where your handset is virtually obsolete every 6 months

[OXCiD3]

Originally Posted by wotnowarninglight The only thing that worries me is that there is a 'new' new version out already

and there will be even more new new ones to come very shortly why do they keep doing this to us

[tilyymolly]

Originally Posted by custard well its not been confirmed you cannot update,just depends how they approach it

You definitely can update the maps on the One with built in flash memory. It still has a built in SD card slot. My dad has one and I have updated his.
What is more interesting(In my opinion). The Inbuilt memory and the SD reader CAN NOT be used at the same time. If you buy new maps from TomTom you will have buy a Sd card with enough room for your back up and the new maps.

[OXCiD3]

Originally Posted by tilyymolly You definitely can update the maps on the One with built in flash memory. It still has a built in SD card slot. My dad has one and I have updated his. What is more interesting(In my opinion). The Inbuilt memory and the SD reader CAN NOT be used at the same time. If you buy new maps from TomTom you will have buy a Sd card with enough room for your back up and the new maps.

Which begs the question... Why?

Why did they stop sending out cards in the first place, i cant believe that it's saving them that much money... i mean bulk they can pick them up for a couple of pounds... if that...

lets say £1 for arguments sake.

and because i know rough figures i'm just going to use halfords (based on my stores sales)

so we just got sent though stock of 50... but realistically we sell 40 a month... perhaps more but i know that other stores sell much less. and some stores sell much more, so this is a good average.

so thats £40 a month.

which is £480 a year... times perhaps 400 stores is

£192,000 a year... which i guess is a decent profit...

but then (and i know this sounds trivial) how much would another moulding machine cost to mould the new packaging?

i dont know how much flash memory was in the older units as standard but i know that they need 256MB for the GB maps to work.

so perhaps each unit will have to be updated?

i would imagine though, once everything is taken in to consideration, for example transport of the cards from the factory, added weight of units for shipping, moulds, the cards themselves.... there isn't much profit at all.

or maybe i'm missing the big picture?

it just seems like a bit of a pointless endeavor.

[wotnowarninglight]

Originally Posted by OXCiD3 Which begs the question... Why? Why did they stop sending out cards in the first place... or maybe i'm missing the big picture? it just seems like a bit of a pointless endeavor.

Changing the mould to delete the SD card slot, assuming its injection moulded won't be that much of a cost consideration to TT.

Think the masterplan may be to stop folks whom buy second hand (and possible stolen) units and helping themselves to 'free up to date mapping with speed cameras on' which is what my mate would gain with his original one if I let him copy my SD card...

As for the SD cards, agree with the prices and variety available now (£8 for 1GB 50x Kingston off e-buyer with my new Pentax Camera), seems a bit mean to take the option away. Also with the TT1EU the Euro mapping with speed cameras, all but the US UK DE & Ozzie voices and a few downloaded custom colour schemes (UK one thats clearer in direct bright sunlight & Night407 which matches Stilo dash illumination) my SD Card 1GB is 98.somat % full

[OXCiD3]

pah 1gb, i went stright to 2.gb thats all of europe, austrailia, and america

[leebassman]

i have just ordered a garmin nuvi 250 luks good so hope it as its my first sat nav what you guys think of them thanks Lee

[OXCiD3]

Originally Posted by leebassman i have just ordered a garmin nuvi 250 luks good so hope it as its my first sat nav what you guys think of them thanks Lee

Been playing with one at work, actually very good value for money.

[mountainmachine]

Both look good!

[silver stephen]

Got the Tom Tom 910 with the built in Mp3 player and I need the FM transmitter to get the MP3's and the spoken instructions and phone calls to be recieved through the car sterio speakers.Is this the best way to go ie, I could change the radio ( as it has no aux in ) and use the line in cable to do the same job. But the cheapest option is to get the transmitter for £33 or a new radio for £100+ any feed back appreciated,btw I love the 910. No probs so far.

[Stu DemonD]

Now looking into getting a satnav, and although I was initially looking at a TomTom ONE XL, now decided I may get the Navi 200W [had a demo of the 250W at Halfauds, but don't really need Euro maps].

One question, what is map updating like on these? They use City Navigator software, maps already installed, but come with an SD slot - so I presume there are 'cheap' ways to update in the future?

Also, what about mobile speed cameras database? Seems to only come with fixed, so presume I need to get a daily or weekly POI sorted??!