Technical EGR blanking off

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Technical EGR blanking off

If I'm honest I'm dead against removal / remapping of anything from experience if any vehicle is maintained correctly etc there shouldn't be a problem , in my experience a lot of these problem occur because the software of vehicles doesn't get updated soany times I have cured faults simply by putting new software in , I guess I'm lucky in the fact that we have nearly every peice of main dealer kit in our workshop though .
 
If I'm honest I'm dead against removal/remapping of anything. From experience if any vehicle is maintained correctly etc. there shouldn't be a problem, a lot of these problems occur because the software of vehicles doesn't get updated so any time I have cured faults simply by putting new software in. I guess I'm lucky in the fact that we have nearly every piece of main dealer kit in our workshop though .

Hehe - sounds like I ought to come and see you!
If you could perhaps give me some info on the EGR bracket fitting and if it's held on with torx bolts or allen bolts.. I'd remove the plate at the weekend when I have time - cheaper than a remap (about which I'm somewhat hesitant anyway) and finding £250 just for that...well...
I guess I'll have to take off the air-filter housing for better access anyway.

R-V-M
 
Hehe - sounds like I ought to come and see you!
If you could perhaps give me some info on the EGR bracket fitting and if it's held on with torx bolts or allen bolts.. I'd remove the plate at the weekend when I have time - cheaper than a remap (about which I'm somewhat hesitant anyway) and finding £250 just for that...well...
I guess I'll have to take off the air-filter housing for better access anyway.

R-V-M

Tbh some people are the type to keep a car completely stock at all costs and wouldn't even let them selves think of putting a panel filter instead of am oem paper filter let alone a remap. I'm a performance type person myself but we have similar engines, when I blocked my egr, the car was simply better to drove, turns out the prev owner had actually already put a blank plate in there with a small hole, (stops the error light but reduces the soot going through.)

Egr valves only cause problems and reduced emissions, a lot of people blank them off and clean / get new inlet manifolds, if you took yours off and had a look at it you'd understand why.

Remapping is a wild one, once my hybrid turbo is fitted I'll be going to a diesel specialist for a custom map, for only 200 quid, some places will charge more for a generic map, either way you'll more usable power, smoother power delivery, better mpg (I got practically ten more mpg after my first map) and they will get rid of the egr light. If your going to keep the van for a long time, then it's worth it imho
 
Tbh some people are the type to keep a car completely stock at all costs and wouldn't even let them selves think of putting a panel filter instead of am oem paper filter let alone a remap. I'm a performance type person myself but we have similar engines, when I blocked my egr, the car was simply better to drove, turns out the prev owner had actually already put a blank plate in there with a small hole, (stops the error light but reduces the soot going through.)

Egr valves only cause problems and reduced emissions, a lot of people blank them off and clean / get new inlet manifolds, if you took yours off and had a look at it you'd understand why.

Remapping is a wild one, once my hybrid turbo is fitted I'll be going to a diesel specialist for a custom map, for only 200 quid, some places will charge more for a generic map, either way you'll more usable power, smoother power delivery, better mpg (I got practically ten more mpg after my first map) and they will get rid of the egr light. If your going to keep the van for a long time, then it's worth it imho

Oh boy - the confusion of 2 schools of thought..

I get a feeling the van drives better with the EGR plate in (no hole) but I'm infuriated by the regularity of the damned Limp Mode cutting in. It's SO dangerous on a motorway!! The ECU is having a laugh at my expense now as the oil light began flashing and eventually gave me a warning to change the engine oil. Car was serviced a week last Saturday...:confused: All this under-bonnet technology is getting very tiresome when it doesn't work or is over-efficient.

If I had a hole in the EGR plate then it lets soot into the manifold and combustion chamber, negating the effort I'd have thought. Total block and remap to delete the thing has to be the way I think. Bit hacked off at the cost though. I just want a clear dashboard again - been a long time since it isn't telling me gloom and doom!

I was just reading about the problems of buying a diesel engined car and not doing long mileages. Life of a DPF is shorter if you never let it regenerate, the cost for a Panda was quoted (in the report) as c £1000-£1500. Once againt the motorist is there to line someone else's pocket.
The same report said the UK is one of only 2 countries in the EU where diesel is more expensive than petrol - in Holland diesel is 31p cheaper. Govt. recommends diesel engines, everyone changes, Govt. ups the duty and screws the motorist as usual.

R-V-M
 
hi mate how old is your qubo
my 09 qubo has a blanking plate the eml comes on but it is not in limp mode
I just scan it a turn it off but it will come back on
the motor is driving fine I will say better the plate has been in for around 5 weeks now also fitted a tuning chip
 
Oh boy - the confusion of 2 schools of thought..

I get a feeling the van drives better with the EGR plate in (no hole) but I'm infuriated by the regularity of the damned Limp Mode cutting in. It's SO dangerous on a motorway!! The ECU is having a laugh at my expense now as the oil light began flashing and eventually gave me a warning to change the engine oil. Car was serviced a week last Saturday...:confused: All this under-bonnet technology is getting very tiresome when it doesn't work or is over-efficient.

If I had a hole in the EGR plate then it lets soot into the manifold and combustion chamber, negating the effort I'd have thought. Total block and remap to delete the thing has to be the way I think. Bit hacked off at the cost though. I just want a clear dashboard again - been a long time since it isn't telling me gloom and doom!

I was just reading about the problems of buying a diesel engined car and not doing long mileages. Life of a DPF is shorter if you never let it regenerate, the cost for a Panda was quoted (in the report) as c £1000-£1500. Once againt the motorist is there to line someone else's pocket.
The same report said the UK is one of only 2 countries in the EU where diesel is more expensive than petrol - in Holland diesel is 31p cheaper. Govt. recommends diesel engines, everyone changes, Govt. ups the duty and screws the motorist as usual.

R-V-M
I don't want to bang on, but was it worth removing the egr valve then?
luigi
 
I don't want to bang on, but was it worth removing the egr valve then?
luigi

It's not 'removal' - it's never that, just prevention of the crud going from the exhaust of the engine going straight back into an environment which should be clean air and a diesel mist, not oily sooty effluent. The EGR is just an EU directive, the typical kind of knee-jerk reaction to try and prove they are 'doing something for the environment' and to make you feel like you're helping too when all it does is cack-up the manifold.

You only need to look at some photos of the blockages of a manifold to see why they are bad idea and hear the reports of users who've had a blanking plate fitted and their improved performance and economy after the tweak.

You have a chip box fitted to get better benefits from your engine - maye a peep inside your manifold would make you think how much better it still might be ;)

Shotgun, I drive a 2013 Fiorino 1.3 75PS Combi, not a Qubo (wish I'd got a Qubo! Windows would be nice as would £30 VED..)

R-V-M
 
qubo / astra / swift / corsa + others all the same engine 1.3 cdti
my qubo 2011 95 bhp stop start but still £30 road tax
the van would have been better for me but not at £200 more tax
the best thing to do is take the egr out of the ecu and fit a blanking plate
but a bugger of a job to fit on the old type engine
 
Oh boy - the confusion of 2 schools of thought..

I get a feeling the van drives better with the EGR plate in (no hole) but I'm infuriated by the regularity of the damned Limp Mode cutting in. It's SO dangerous on a motorway!! The ECU is having a laugh at my expense now as the oil light began flashing and eventually gave me a warning to change the engine oil. Car was serviced a week last Saturday...:confused: All this under-bonnet technology is getting very tiresome when it doesn't work or is over-efficient.

If I had a hole in the EGR plate then it lets soot into the manifold and combustion chamber, negating the effort I'd have thought. Total block and remap to delete the thing has to be the way I think. Bit hacked off at the cost though. I just want a clear dashboard again - been a long time since it isn't telling me gloom and doom!

I was just reading about the problems of buying a diesel engined car and not doing long mileages. Life of a DPF is shorter if you never let it regenerate, the cost for a Panda was quoted (in the report) as c £1000-£1500. Once againt the motorist is there to line someone else's pocket.
The same report said the UK is one of only 2 countries in the EU where diesel is more expensive than petrol - in Holland diesel is 31p cheaper. Govt. recommends diesel engines, everyone changes, Govt. ups the duty and screws the motorist as usual.

R-V-M
Maybe this is the cause of your problem :)
 

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Maybe this is the cause of your problem :)

That's an interesting one Kyle - could be the reason.

Van went in yesterday for the remap but although booked with the garage who have to get a man in with a 'master' computer :)confused:) he came, downloaded the software off my van and then announced he was off toThailand for two weeks and would do it when he returned. Huh - not impressed!

The Fiorino has been on occasional and unpredictable limping for the last two weeks and I thought I'd have to suffer it for another two now. The guys in the garage did a full scan on it and cleared all the codes including the odd one saying engine oil needed changing (this is where your forum chat was interesting..). They then took it for a run and said it behaved just fine.
I had requested that after the remap (not knowing it wasn't happening) if they'd take it for a run about an hour after it had gone cold to make sure no errors appeared as in the past that has happened.

I'll find out going to work tomorrow if it is ok.

As regards remapping, can someone who's had that done say what options you are given to choose from please?

R-V-M
 
As regards remapping, can someone who's had that done say what options you are given to choose from please?

R-V-M

You can request that it be more economical, or more powerful, either way the power delivery will be much better, the quality of the map also depends, a lot of places will just put a generic map on Yoyr car, that's fine if it's completely stock and you want economy but will never be as good as a custom map on the rollers, I'm assuming you want smooth power delivery and economy though, which they should have no problem doing!

As for the other Chap, a tuning box or whatever just lies to the ecu about how much fuel to use, might alter air temp, and flow readings too, I wouldn't bother myself
 
You can request that it be more economical, or more powerful, either way the power delivery will be much better, the quality of the map also depends, a lot of places will just put a generic map on your car, that's fine if it's completely stock and you want economy but will never be as good as a custom map on the rollers, I'm assuming you want smooth power delivery and economy though, which they should have no problem doing!

Thanks for that, I'll ask for the smooth bit and economy. I'm not fussed about reaching 70mph any quicker as I prefer to do 55-60mph anyway as I like seeing the figure "60" in the AcA readout (y)

The garage does have a rolling road but the tweaks I believe are done in Germany by this guy with his master computer so perhaps the file comes back ready done - I don't know - unless it gives him the control of the parameters visible on the RR screen when/before re-uploading it to my car.

Incidentally, when I took it in for the re-map which didn't happen, the garage guys cleared all the codes and since then it's behaved like a dream. EGR plate in and not a whisper about it on the dashboard.
I may be right in thinking that no EGR-ing into the engine will give a cleaner exhaust so potentially less crud into the DPF as well as the manifold/engine? :chin:

R-V-M
 
that's just as I was thinking
my eml was off for 65 mile but then came back on
so scan and clear the faults codes back on in 3 mile ???
so I don't know I will get the egr took off the system
 
Thanks for that, I'll ask for the smooth bit and economy. I'm not fussed about reaching 70mph any quicker as I prefer to do 55-60mph anyway as I like seeing the figure "60" in the AcA readout (y)

The garage does have a rolling road but the tweaks I believe are done in Germany by this guy with his master computer so perhaps the file comes back ready done - I don't know - unless it gives him the control of the parameters visible on the RR screen when/before re-uploading it to my car.

Incidentally, when I took it in for the re-map which didn't happen, the garage guys cleared all the codes and since then it's behaved like a dream. EGR plate in and not a whisper about it on the dashboard.
I may be right in thinking that no EGR-ing into the engine will give a cleaner exhaust so potentially less crud into the DPF as well as the manifold/engine? :chin:

R-V-M

While your there you could also get the dpf removed and deleted and you'll never have a dpf related problem again! That's specifically why I got a euro 5 pre 2008 mjet, cos they don't have them!
 
my 09 qubo has not got a dpf on it
but my 2011 trekking has I think I will just take the egr off the ecu
got the laptop and leads to do it but just not got around to it yet
 
I've got my van booked in for a remap next weekend. They said that they will map the van and shut the egr. Is this ok or should it be physically blanked off?
 
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