Yep. that the one for you...........but k&n ? , will you still go piper cross?
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Technical EGR blanking off
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Yup, once they find the right pattern as I have the £35 or so credit with them
R-V-M
Yup, once they find the right pattern as I have the £35 or so credit with them
R-V-M
I've had a reply fom PP General Manager - "Looking at it [my pics] we don't seem to do the other variant of the filter for the other model" and the only option is return and refund
The PP filter is repacked to return and I have ordered the K&N filter.
R-V-M
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The k&n one will still be as good as, shame that pipercross don't do one as they are the main boy's when it comes to filters.I've had a reply fom PP General Manager - "Looking at it [my pics] we don't seem to do the other variant of the filter for the other model" and the only option is return and refund
The PP filter is repacked to return and I have ordered the K&N filter.
R-V-M
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Yes that was my thinking but their spec seems as good in the detail of dust particle collection and airflow performance etc.
Makes you wonder then about use of foam or paper for the filter and why the K&N paper is better than a stock filter, has a million mile guarantee and is supposed to be a 'fit once and never need to buy another' device. It'll be interesting to see what if any difference it makes.
Apologies for the slight thread hijack!
Qubo, in response to your local news article, here's a pic of a garage hoarding near me that openly advertises removal of filtration gadgetry.
I believe you can buy proprietary cleaners for the cat (fuel additive) and manifold (spray inside) to remove 'harmful' deposits (to efficiency I guess?) that the EGR puts in there and whatever else accumulates in the cat. It just means another product to buy to get round something created by the Eurocratic addition of a gizmo (or two) designed to reduce pollution/pollutants although they have to go somewhere once created and it would seem these filters merely delay their egress into the outside world..
R-V-M
Just hope that the Garage above is prepared to be up in court.....as the link I posted a couple of days ago shows.....thats whats gona happen.
Cheers Qube O.
Cheers Qube O.
Interesting postscript.. as I walked back from the garage this morning after taking my Fiorino in for service, the letters 'DPF' have been removed from the bottom of their hoarding! I wonder if they picked up on the media reports. (I certainly didn't say anything to them.)
R-V-M
Is that before they became a legal requirement to be fitted when new ????
Mines a 2009, and I had the option to spec one as a 'extra'.......fortunately I didn't.....
Cheers Qube O.
Mines a 2009, and I had the option to spec one as a 'extra'.......fortunately I didn't.....
Cheers Qube O.
Thats a strange filter, can you explain it to me? I'm really curious how that works, air comes through the filter, then where? through that weird mesh square?
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There was a special notice on mot comp last week detailing the repercussions for stations offering this service ,Interesting postscript.. as I walked back from the garage this morning after taking my Fiorino in for service, the letters 'DPF' have been removed from the bottom of their hoarding! I wonder if they picked up on the media reports. (I certainly didn't say anything to them.)
R-V-M
And we don't have to do 5 year refresher courses anymore either
Special notice to testers here:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa..._data/file/366187/mot-special-notice-7-14.pdf
Ken
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa..._data/file/366187/mot-special-notice-7-14.pdf
Ken
I did wonder about the unfiltered mesh part (OEM) and the new one has nothing in that square at all. I cut the mesh square from the old one before I chucked it - only because I thought I might put it in the gap but there must be a reason why K&N don't put one on theirs - maybe a reason why the OEM does have it!
Anyway, the performance is loads better for the K&N and I have noticed the economy is also improved, simultaneous with adding it in so I assume it must be that?
Before I put the filter in I did a run to Devon - J30 M5+15 miles - via Dursley from Scunthorpe and at speeds of c 65-72mph I got about 56-58 mpg.
Coming back I stuck to 55mph (same route reversed) and the cumulative miles done + range (checked after about 180 miles) would have given me a range total of 724 which is probably in excess of the Fiat figures, claimed as 1000km on a tank, about 660 miles. Best shown average on the screen was 72.0 mpg.
There's a lot to be said for travelling at that speed too - much more relaxed journey, plenty more time to react to situations ahead, time to see the countryside you're travelling through and only a bit more journey time (set off earlier and be relaxed when you arrive!) Much better economy too of course.
Just returning to the thread title, can anyone say for sure whether the EGR can be deleted without a remap? Maybe a question in two parts as I asked the local garage about this plus a couple of other things I'd like altering in the computer and he said his machine (universal for all makes with the little plug-in memory card marked 'Fiat') couldn't go that deep for at least three years after software releases. This gives the main dealer some exclusivety over small garages I guess.
He said the EGR plate insertion needed a remap. Plate £3.50, remap £250. How ridiculous is that?
The method sounded to be: download my car's individual memory print, send it to Germany as a file, they alter what I ask for, send it back rewritten, it's up-loaded into the car - Bingo, £250 please. Takes 3 hours.
So when the car goes in for another warranty replacement (see new thread "DPF Sensor Hoses") I could ask them if they can delete the EGR on their ECU reader and see what the response is. Hopefully not "We can't do that sir it's not permitted" - but I have to wait until Thursday to find that out.
R-V-M
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You can blank the egr off without mapping it out, it will give you an error code and a eml light, you can clear that yourself with a code reader like I did but it will keep coming back, when they map it out all they do is put the egr in a permanent state of full throttle in which the egr closes. If your getting a remap usually an egr delete is a -'might as well do it' sort of thing, makes a good difference thought deffos worth it
I have blanked my egr off on my 95 bhp 2011 qubo later engine type
and my 75 bhp 2009 qubo
on the 75 / 09 plate the eml light is on and is driving fine
on the 95 / 11 plate I fitted a plate the eml came on and put the car in limp mode so I removed the plate and drilled a 8mm hole in the plate no light on
I could do it with the 75 but its a pig of a job to fit the plate
also blanked off a Suzuki swift 2013 same engine hole in the plate
so to stop the eml just fit a plate with small hole in it
and my 75 bhp 2009 qubo
on the 75 / 09 plate the eml light is on and is driving fine
on the 95 / 11 plate I fitted a plate the eml came on and put the car in limp mode so I removed the plate and drilled a 8mm hole in the plate no light on
I could do it with the 75 but its a pig of a job to fit the plate
also blanked off a Suzuki swift 2013 same engine hole in the plate
so to stop the eml just fit a plate with small hole in it
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It's a hard one to identify here...Following the service, limp mode for the first time ever but that was coincidental with finding the hose split but also the blanking plate was fitted at the service so which one tripped the limping? EML light's been on a while (hose pressure problem)
I did mention the hole in the plate (which would still let crud into the manifold - have you ever seen the build up of carbon deposits in an EGR manifold? Almost total blockage..) but it's stainless steel so I'd need a super hard bit and the other thing is find the EGR and then getting to it and removing it to do the hole/leave the plate off.
Any photos of EGR location would be most helpful and also tools needed please.
R-V-M
I took the Fiorino into Autoworld (Chesterfield) which is the nearest I can get to a 'Fiat Dealer Service' (they cover 8 marques I think) for the warranty replacement of the DPF Sensor hoses - took over 3 hours and they completely replaced the hoses from the sensor to the metal pipes into the exhaust downpipe. More flexible lengths than before from what I can see. Must be on their own warnings list since they've redesigned the pipes - no doubt due to failures like mine.
The specifically trained Fiat engineer came to see me at one point during the procedure. I'd asked the desk chap if whilst they were clearing codes etc. they could make the flick indicator do 5 flashes instead of the default 3 and if the interior light could stay on about 30 secs longer as the time delay is too short. He told me they can only do stuff like reprogram ignition keys!!! I'd hoped being a service shop 'proper' that their machinery would be more specific to a marque than the universal type code machine that an indie garage would use. Doesn't seem like it
He also told me that the air filter lid hadn't been replaced correctly (my indie service man!) as the lid has 4 lugs at the rear that tuck into slots, then you drop it shut and screw it down. It was screwed down but the lugs hadn't been located right so I guess it was breathing too much - I said maybe that's why it was running so well..
Any road up, since the EGR plate was fitted at that service, inevitably the EML light is on (been on for ages with the DPF hose issue) but I now have the intermittent and totally infuriating limp mode nonsense. Oddly enough the Autoworld chap told me about the airfilter lid but didn't rectify it! I did. The car behaved quite well and I drove about 60+ miles without the limp coming into play. Then the next day it did it several times, mostly driving in town. It's maddening - what a complete stupid design and it's so dangerous! There you are doing 60mph on the M'way and suddenly all your power goes and it drops to about 40 mph or if on an incline, drops a gear and lorries up yer exhaust get really annoyed. I would too. Same driving back from Manchester last night over the Snake. Thankfully almost no traffic but I had to stop about three times on the M67 to restart.
SO, is it worth £250 for a remap to get the EGR deleted, will I get mpg benefits, cleaner engine, improved performance (I'm not rally driving) etc.? A plate that costs £3.50 but then costs £250 to have made operational seems VERY excessive. Would I be better finding how to remove the thing and either leaving it out or drilling a hole in it - which seems a little odd if you're letting the gases back in again, depriving the combustion process of fresh air?
R-V-M
As for changing peramiters like interior light time etc , there isn't that much that can be done on the main dealer tool tbh , bit of a let down but guessing fiat decided that's good enough as it is
It would seem that the Qubo Menu is more advanced (or has more fun tweaks) than the Fiorino, the indie service guy said I should be able to alter flasher numbers from that but I said not - he had a go but had to admit defeat. Why would a van owner driver be deprived of stuff that a car driver gets?
I've lost count of the numnber of times my Mum has flipped the visor down for the mirror only to be greeted by a service interval label insted of her reflection!
Any thoughts on the EGR plate/remap/cost/worth the bother/removal again?
Cheers,
R-V-M
