Are these now not attainable? Would like one for my Seicento but they only seem available abroad.

the 75 never sold in huge numbers in the UK really, people generally seemed to go really basic (55 or 60 s or sx) or they went for more top of the range sporting or gt. The 75 despite now being considered probably the best 8v FIRE they ever made ended up in a weird middle ground limbo. Add to which they have always been sort after for other cars like centos and stuff and on top of that there is so few mk1 puntos left at all then they are getting pretty hard to find. In europe it was a more common engine, and also not only fitted to puntos like here.

They do exist, just a few months back i bought one for my classic panda for £150 including all the loom, ecu manifolds, TB... everything basically. Just keep your eyes peeled, one will turn up. Bear in mind when looking around that they are often not advertised as 75s and you can often just not tell from photos if it is one unless you can see a 75 wing badge or there is an engine pic. You pretty much have to contact people if you see one being broken to see if its just a 60 or is actually a 75.

That said, what seicento have you got? spi or mpi? sporting?

Hey blu73! I also put one in my Panda 4x4. The legend that is 'Camel'! I built her!

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That said, what seicento have you got? spi or mpi? sporting?

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I've got the mpi now. First one. All my others (3) have been pre-facelift models.
Why do you ask? Exciting news?!

Ah yes, i thought i recognised the name, couldn't place it though.

Well the 75 is technically better than the sei mpi engine, given. But at least it is already mpi. I was thinking why not just swap out the bottom end for a 1.2

Maybe a little headwork and if there is a funds a C&B fast road cam. Will perform just as well as the P75 and in reality less faff too. Its not as easy wiring wise as SPI to swap to a P75 cause the spi ones had a seperate engine loom that connects to the body loom via a D4 - just like all the mk1 punto engines. The sei mpi is not like this so but more tricky - obvs doable but its not as plug and play as it would be in a spi seicento.

That or do a 16v swap - great engines the 16v. If you can find a rusty 16v mk1 as a donor you are away. Should be cheap to buy and have basically everything you need..

There's a tatty 75 SX down the road from me... I could always leave a note on the windscreen

Seems lots of mk1's are getting broken up for their 75 or 16v engines

they always have, thats why they are so hard to find lol

why is 75hp version so much better blu?

it has livlier cam (the infamous 866) which has, from memory, 10mm more lift than whats in the other 8v heads.
Its got mpi which is just better in every way to spi.
It has larger ports.
It has a better exhaust mani design.
It has oil squirters in block.

Its just betterer

interesanto

So would you try and find a 75 lower or any 1.2 block?

Any 1.2 8v bottom end will serve. Only thing the bottom end has on the 75 over others is oil squirters which are good but no biggy not having them. They are great for more tuned engines like turbo conversions as they help cool the pistons down but totally fine without even with a turbo conversion. Just better if one is available.

Any 1.2 8v fire will work. Which makes sourcing easy and cheap ☺

Ah, cool. That should include any block for the new Panda 1.2 8v also then?!

yup or mk2 or grande punto. you will just have to swap over the engine mount and most of the ancillaries if using a much newer car, blocks themselves are the same though

block and pistons are same, only head is different and gains 15hp?
so you buy hg for block

I have a complete Punto 60S 1242cc engine and all the bits you'll need...

https://www.fiatforum.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=34422

...and a Punto 75 866 cam' in my shed for extra.

The 60S is the narrow walled version of the 1242 block and weighs less than the 75. Not much more than the standard 1108 you'll be replacing.