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Hi my engine coolant fluid level is below min. punto handbook says only use 'paraflu'? Do i drain the fluid in there and try and find some paraflu to fill it up from scratch, or just use bog standard stuff and mix it with whatever fluid is in there already???????? cheeeeeeers(y)
 
well if your unsure of when it was last change then i recommend new get yourself 3 litres of paraflu and use about 2 and a half of them and mix the other half in the bottle for topping up with and keep in the boot

it's available from www.shop4parts.co.uk

and it is the best stuff you can buy all these other bog standard stuff does not hold it's properties for more than a year and when diluted will not work well atall

just like engine oil there is good and there's crap

car holds about 4.7 iirc so 2.5 is just over half and half witch is a good strong mix

help yourself avoid a head gasket failure anyway
 
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umm...yes, a 50/50 mix is good. Not too much stronger mind you!
And don't even THINK of filling it to the brim! You'll end up with a broken expansion tank and coolant all over the shop as the pressure tries to escape and blows up the tank. I learned that the hard way on a military vehicle. In a 14 tonner... On the A1...

Don't ask man, don't ask :eek:
 
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The Free(welsh)man said:
umm...yes, a 50/50 mix is good. Not too much stronger mind you!
And don't even THINK of filling it to the brim! You'll end up with a broken expansion tank and coolant all over the shop as the pressure tries to escape and blows up the tank. I learned that the hard way on a military vehicle. In a 14 tonner... On the A1...

Don't ask man, don't ask :eek:
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no it has a pressure cap at 1 bar silly
 
frequent changes (yearly) with new antifreeze will help prevent corrosion which can lead tyo premature head gasket failure
 
Any official Fiat, Lancia or Alfa Romeo dealership will have Paraflu in stock.
At this moment, only the new Paraflu UP (Ultra Protection) will be for sale, this is the new generation, long life coolant, it's kind of red colored.
You should mix it 50/50 with distiled water (no tap water!!), it can stay in the cooling system for about 5 years.
Fiat has announced, this new long life coolant can be used in every model Fiat, even if it used to have to old green/blue coolant, you just have to flush the coolant system very carefully, and you'll be fine!
 
Mdeko said:
frequent changes (yearly) with new antifreeze will help prevent corrosion which can lead tyo premature head gasket failure
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thankyou(y)

only one exception mind bluddy rover k series

Peter Pick-Up said:
Any official Fiat, Lancia or Alfa Romeo dealership will have Paraflu in stock.
At this moment, only the new Paraflu UP (Ultra Protection) will be for sale, this is the new generation, long life coolant, it's kind of red colored.
You should mix it 50/50 with distiled water (no tap water!!), it can stay in the cooling system for about 5 years.
Fiat has announced, this new long life coolant can be used in every model Fiat, even if it used to have to old green/blue coolant, you just have to flush the coolant system very carefully, and you'll be fine!
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erm no it's crap actually if i had a new fiat i would convert to blue paraflu immediately

and if you mix the two in the slightest they turn to jelly and cause massive unwarned overheating as non of the heat gets to the temp sensor before it's to late

this very mistake was the cause of the only fire engine head i have ever seen warped and boy was it warped engine had to be replaced as developed piston slap after it seized
 
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BS, a new Fiat with the red Paraflu UP may NEVER be filled, or topped up with blue paraflu, you will loose warranty immediately, and it will cause a massive mess inside the cooling system.
On the other hand, as I wrote before, the Fiat company in Turin has send bulletins to their dealers worldwide, that it's totally safe to convert older Fiat engines, filled with blue or green Paraflu, to new style, long life red Paraflu Ultra Protection, after a good flush.
So it's even no longer possible to buy blue Paraflu, only red U(ltra) P(rotection), wich can be used in EVERY Fiat.
I have converted 4 Fiat's and Alfa's so far, no problems at all.
Another benefit is that the red Paraflu is very kind to aluminum, and the old style blue/green coolant isn't very good to aluminum, it eats it away after time, that's one of the the reasons you had to change it so often....!!!!
 
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Peter Pick-Up said:
BS, a new Fiat with the red Paraflu UP may NEVER be filled, or topped up with blue paraflu, you will loose warranty immediately, and it will cause a massive mess inside the cooling system. i have already outlined this
On the other hand, as I wrote before, the Fiat company in Turin has send bulletins to their dealers worldwide, that it's totally safe to convert older Fiat engines, filled with blue or green Paraflu, to new style, long life red Paraflu Ultra Protection, after a good flush. very true the oposite is also very posible and wont cause a problem engine materials haven't changed all that much from the early 80s in fiats case anyway they have been using alloy heads since the 60s
So it's even no longer possible to buy blue Paraflu, only red U(ltra) P(rotection), wich can be used in EVERY Fiat. no we will still be able to buy it for quite a wile i'm sure
I have converted 4 Fiat's and Alfa's so far, no problems at all.
Another benefit is that the red Paraflu is very kind to aluminum, and the old style blue/green coolant isn't very good to aluminum, it eats it away after time, that's one of the the reasons you had to change it so often....!!!! can't see any proof of this it's water that eats your alloy not the (corrosion inhibitor)
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ill stick to blue thanks it's worked in cars for many years now

 
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Ive already got red/orange coolant in my 53reg mk2b :S - Does thsi mean ive already got the UP stuff?

Its due a change this august, so i think im better putting the Up stuff in as its already red so havent got to worry about not flushing it out fully
 
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Mdeko said:
Ive already got red/orange coolant in my 53reg mk2b :S - Does thsi mean ive already got the UP stuff?

Its due a change this august, so i think im better putting the Up stuff in as its already red so havent got to worry about not flushing it out fully
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A good flush with a hose and tapwater is always a good thing, before putting in new coolant.
If your coolant is red, it'll be the new long life coolant (all brands are more or like the same colour).
 
Peter Pick-Up said:
Whatever you want....!!
I have a few bottles old fashioned blue Paraflu g-12 in my garage somewhere...
May be worth something for guys like you, when you discover it's no longer for sale...;)
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Well, I just used it today in my old Fiorino Pick-Up, changed the heater valve, that didn't work to well after 15 years, with a new one, flushed the whole system, and put the last bottles Paraflu old style in it.....
(Btw, it was a p.i.t.a. to change this valve, under the dashboard....the new seal didn't work, it started to leak, so I used the old seal again, but had to remove everything twice...).
 
Peter Pick-Up said:
Well, I just used it today in my old Fiorino Pick-Up, changed the heater valve, that didn't work to well after 15 years, with a new one, flushed the whole system, and put the last bottles Paraflu old style in it.....
(Btw, it was a p.i.t.a. to change this valve, under the dashboard....the new seal didn't work, it started to leak, so I used the old seal again, but had to remove everything twice...).
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hum probably similar to the uno i had to change one in mine not to bad but i s pose i have a slight advantage working in a garage
 
Everybody thinks the Brazilian made Fiorino Mk2 (1988-1998) is based on the Uno, this is not true.
Actually, it is based on the Fiat 147, which was the Brazilian version of the 127!
Although the Fiorino share the looks with the Uno, almost all parts are different, and have to be special ordered from Brazil.
Luckily, the Fiorino is still made by Fiat do Brazil, so all parts are still available, at very low prices.
(And I have my own workshop, but (still!) like to work on my own cars, even after almost 35 years....!).
 
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Peter Pick-Up said:
Everybody thinks the Brazilian made Fiorino Mk2 (1988-1998) is based on the Uno, this is not true.
Actually, it is based on the Fiat 147, which was the Brazilian version of the 127!
Although the Fiorino share the looks with the Uno, almost all parts are different, and have to be special ordered from Brazil.
Luckily, the Fiorino is still made by Fiat do Brazil, so all parts are still available, at very low prices.
(And I have my own workshop, but (still!) like to work on my own cars, even after almost 35 years....!).
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I have seen some similar parts - but in my garage I have a window winder mechanism that looks nothing like one from Italy (the Brazilian one has cables) yet fits in the same door...

Anyway, you would be a good person to help us in the Uno forum with a question re: front suspension setup and whether the Brazil-built Uno might be different: https://www.fiatforum.com/uno/148338-uno-front-suspension-problem.html :)

Thanks,
-Alex
 
alexGS said:
I have seen some similar parts - but in my garage I have a window winder mechanism that looks nothing like one from Italy (the Brazilian one has cables) yet fits in the same door...

Anyway, you would be a good person to help us in the Uno forum with a question re: front suspension setup and whether the Brazil-built Uno might be different: https://www.fiatforum.com/uno/148338-uno-front-suspension-problem.html :)

Thanks,
-Alex
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wel i know the fiorino is completely different to an uno the front suspension is very different with the anti roll bar running across the front of the car and also making up part of the bottom arms i just figured as the dash is identical the heater box might be similar
 
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