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Re: wife crashed - skidded - even with abs?

I preffer no ABS. I was once caining it down a 50mph road (downhill, wet road at night) towards a roundabout. Thought it would be 'funny' to race my mate down here (this was approx 1 month after passing my test).

decided I'd better break for the roundabout, doing approx 60 at the time. Braked, wheels locked up as the road curved, so was doing approx 50 mph into a roadabout with 4 locked wheels.

I then went into autopilot whilst the rest of me panics. Released the brake, regained traction, then eased my foot onto the brake pedal again, and pulsed my footwithout lifting it up, and I lived to see another day.

Ever since then, I've been a careful driver, Never did crash that car in the 5 months I had it either.
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I preffer no ABS. I was once caining it down a 50mph road (downhill, wet road at night) towards a roundabout. Thought it would be 'funny' to race my mate down here (this was approx 1 month after passing my test).

decided I'd better break for the roundabout, doing approx 60 at the time. Braked, wheels locked up as the road curved, so was doing approx 50 mph into a roadabout with 4 locked wheels.

I then went into autopilot whilst the rest of me panics. Released the brake, regained traction, then eased my foot onto the brake pedal again, and pulsed my footwithout lifting it up, and I lived to see another day.

Ever since then, I've been a careful driver, Never did crash that car in the 5 months I had it either.
i think we should all learn to drive in a car without any driving aids at all, choke, no abs, no power steering, etc, nothing. you soon learn then
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ABS is one of the best safety enhancements provided you understand it - otherwise it's snakeoil. Don't expect it to do your thinking for you. Every driver should emergency brake their car at speed on an empty road , mark the stopping point and then go back and look at it at speed again. This will slow you down and save lives. The myth about ABS allowing you to steer out of trouble presupposes a) that there is a bolt hole to steer to - seldom the case and b) that you have trained and practiced to steer when under pressure - most of us will freeze in a straight line - fact. Don't let ABS fool you into a sense of invulnerability.There is an argument for not telling drivers about their ABS. Anyway good public road drivers brake less and don't put themselves in a position where they are relying ABS.Should their be a counter on the brake pedal for calculating annual road tax?
I slow every day at a blind junction on a country road near my home.Inevitably one day someone pulled out. My son asked ' Dad how did you know he was there?' I replied ' I didn't know he wasn't'. The human brain has a lot more in it than the ABS processor.
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ABS is one of the best safety enhancements provided you understand it - otherwise it's snakeoil. Don't expect it to do your thinking for you. Every driver should emergency brake their car at speed on an empty road , mark the stopping point and then go back and look at it at speed again. This will slow you down and save lives. The myth about ABS allowing you to steer out of trouble presupposes a) that there is a bolt hole to steer to - seldom the case and b) that you have trained and practiced to steer when under pressure - most of us will freeze in a straight line - fact. Don't let ABS fool you into a sense of invulnerability.There is an argument for not telling drivers about their ABS. Anyway good public road drivers brake less and don't put themselves in a position where they are relying ABS.Should their be a counter on the brake pedal for calculating annual road tax?
I slow every day at a blind junction on a country road near my home.Inevitably one day someone pulled out. My son asked ' Dad how did you know he was there?' I replied ' I didn't know he wasn't'. The human brain has a lot more in it than the ABS processor.
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i think we should all learn to drive in a car without any driving aids at all, choke, no abs, no power steering, etc, nothing. you soon learn then
If your going to go that far, everyone has to do their first multi-point turn in a road barely big enough aswell
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If your going to go that far, everyone has to do their first multi-point turn in a road barely big enough aswell
yeah why not teach you to drive propperly
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If your going to go that far, everyone has to do their first multi-point turn in a road barely big enough aswell
My first car was a 999cc uno with four speeds...no auto choke, no abs and no ncap rating...
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My first car was a 999cc uno with four speeds...no auto choke, no abs and no ncap rating...
i had a 1.3 metro, ever try pulling the choke out on the motorway, god it shifted, thats how i got caught doing 115 on the m6, and the coppers found it so funny they let me off with a warning
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i had a 1.3 metro, ever try pulling the choke out on the motorway, god it shifted, thats how i got caught doing 115 on the m6, and the coppers found it so funny they let me off with a warning
If I did that when it was warm it ran far too rich and backfired/ran rougher than a badgers a**e.
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If I did that when it was warm it ran far too rich and backfired/ran rougher than a badgers a**e.
strange how different cars react differently

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My first car was a 999cc uno with four speeds...no auto choke, no abs and no ncap rating...
Mine a 769cc Panda. Same, no auto choke, abs etc.
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i think we should all learn to drive in a car without any driving aids at all, choke, no abs, no power steering, etc, nothing. you soon learn then
you try driving a bedford f**king RL!!!!!

btw, that's a VERY old military 3 ton cargo truck

then again, that thing wouldn't make 60!!!

oh, and current military bedford 14 tonners have a manual choke, although most people just call it the "exess fuel" level aka nitro :P lol
85mph from a 25 year old truck anyone ??
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you try driving a bedford f**king RL!!!!!

btw, that's a VERY old military 3 ton cargo truck

then again, that thing wouldn't make 60!!!

oh, and current military bedford 14 tonners have a manual choke, although most people just call it the "exess fuel" level aka nitro :P lol
85mph from a 25 year old truck anyone ??
thats why i said car not truck

most cars without power steering had geared steering anyway, trucks just had big **** off steering wheels
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if the garage where the guy got the car from were dodgy they could of had an abs fault and just snapped out the bulb to sell the motor.....its easy to do, arm up the back of dash. i got a claibra from a garage when i changed the front disks i noticed on one side the abs sensor had been unbolted and tied up, when i put it back on it made a god awful grinding noise cos the abs ring had snapped but i noticed the abs light still stayed off! i reckon they had snapped out bulb
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if the garage where the guy got the car from were dodgy they could of had an abs fault and just snapped out the bulb to sell the motor.....its easy to do, arm up the back of dash. i got a claibra from a garage when i changed the front disks i noticed on one side the abs sensor had been unbolted and tied up, when i put it back on it made a god awful grinding noise cos the abs ring had snapped but i noticed the abs light still stayed off! i reckon they had snapped out bulb
Yes, some of these garages can be right 'cowboys' unfortunatly
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