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Punto Mk3/Mk2b Change instrument cluster LED colour

Hi!
I've never attempted something like this before, so please go easy on me and if there are any errors or omissions, please let me know

I'd wanted to change the horrible Fiat orange dash colour ever since I got my Mk3/ MK2b, but never did. Reality was that I was worried that I'd stuff it up.
Everywhere I looked, I could only find articles on the Punto Mk2, and even those were not really complete or a 'step by step' type of guide. For example, my biggest problem was how to refit and align the needles correctly.

The idea behind this guide is to provide an easy step by step guide with photos on how to go about changing the colour of your instrument cluster. I will also include a list of materials and equipment that you will need. Hopefully this will answer 100% of your questions.

The most important thing you need to remember Ė take your time, take your time and just in case I wasnít clear before, take your time.
DONíT rush the job.

Materials Required:
3528 PLCC-2 LED's of whatever colour you prefer
- 6x for cluster illumination
- 4x for needles
- 3x for LCD
- 5 or 6 for switch rail (if you decide to do this as well)
Translucent filter, 10cm x 7cm so it can be cut to size)
20-25W soldering iron, preferably with 2mm tip or a variable temperature soldering station ( I used an Antex 660TC with a 25w iron)
1mm thick rosin core solder (you'll need less than 50cm)
Flux paste (eg: Amtech RMA -223 or similar)
Decent pair of tweezers, hobby cutting knife, long nose pliers, small philips screwdriver, small flat blade screwdriver, Hex bit set (for removing dash).

Where can I buy?
I bought my LED's and the translucent filter from a company called Crazyled's (www.crazyleds.co.uk). Before buying I got in contact with one of their pre-sales support guys called Mike Horn. Very very helpful person.

The blue LED's cost UK 0.21p and the red LED's UK0.24p each. The translucent filer cost UK Pounds 1.40.

Rosin solder, soldering iron, flux paste, tweezers and all the other tools can be bought from any decent electronics or hardware store like Farrells or possibly even Maplin (B&Q is NOT recommended).

Where do I start?
First step is to disconnect the negative battery lead. This is to ensure that nothing goes wrong with the electricals.
Whilst not critical, it is preferable that you do this with a full tank of fuel, as it makes it easier when refitting the fuel needle.

Next, is to remove the fascia surrounding the instrument cluster (the dash). There are 4x T15 hex screws holding the fascia in place. Two are located under the top part (run your finger between the clear glass and the black fascia to locate them) and one screw on either side of the steering wheel.

Once you have removed the fascia, you will need to remove the 3x T20 hex screws holding the cluster in place. One screw is located dead centre at the top and one on either side of the dash, bottom corner.

** It is not necessary to do so but if you wish, and if you feel comfortable doing so, you can remove the steering wheel to get better access to the dash **

Carefully lift out the dash for 10-15cm and feel behind the top right corner. You will find the dash connector. It has a locking mechanism which keeps it in place. Press the top part of the connector and depress the lock, the lever will free itself and allow you to unclip the connector from the dash.

Remove the dash, turn it over and remove the 4 small Philips screws. This allows you to open and separate the cluster. Remove the clear glass from the front of the dash. Clip the connector block back, reconnect the battery terminal and switch the ignition on. Do NOT start the car.

This next part is very important, so take lots of care. With the ignition on and without touching the needles, take a pencil or marker of some sort and mark the position of each needle.
Switch the ignition off, remove the key and repeat the process. You should have 2 marks for the Speedo and the Rev counter and 1 each for Petrol and Temperature.
Disconnect the battery as before. Unclip the dash connector and remove the dash to your workbench.


Whew!! So far so goodÖ what next ?

With the dash securely on your workbench, carefully and slowly rotate the speedo and rev counter needles clockwise until you feel a resistance and they stop moving. DO NOT FORCE THE NEEDLES FORWARD. Carefully mark this position as well. You should have 3 marks by now, for the speedometer and rev counter, and one each for the fuel and water temperature.

Using the small flat blade screwdriver, carefully prise off the black cap covering each needle. With the long nose pliers, simply pull the needles up and off (they slide on a spindle).
Turn the dash over and unclip the pc board (there are 5-6 clips) from the dash faceplate (the black part with the white numbers etc). This is what you will see:

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If you are also going to replace the LEDís for the LCD screen, turn over the pc board and unclip the metal lugs holding the LCD housing. Remove the housing from the PC board.

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If you are going to use any other colour except red or orange for the LCD display, you will need to remove the translucent filter. With extreme care turn over the LCD, slide it out of the housing and store it somewhere safe.


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Remove the yellow translucent filter and replace it with one cut to size from the white translucent sheet you bought originally. I used blue LEDís and would have preferred to get a translucent sheet with a blue tinge to give it a uniform colour, but was not able to find one. Probably does existÖ somewhere ..

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Soldering and desoldering

Ok, this is the probably the most important part. By now you should know exactly which LEDís you are going to change. If you donítÖÖ you are probably reading the wrong guide
Before doing anything take a blank sheet of paper and mark the position and notching of each LED you are going to replace. Depending on the brand some LEDís are numbered on each corner, but all have a notch in the top right corner (corner #3). Trust me, this will help you no end when soldering back the new LEDís.

If you are going to replace general colour, needle and LCD, these are the LEDís you will need to change:
Yellow: LCD
Blue: needle
Red: colour

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I cannot show you how to solder, but this video (courtesy crazyleds.co.uk) gives a very good indication of what you need to do and how to do it.



Some important points: the LEDís are housed in plastic. Factory specs say that the maximum amount of time heat can be applied before the LED is destroyed is 3 seconds. My advice Ė no more than 1 to 1.5 sec. Do one side, then pass onto the next LED and so on, until you have done all. You can use the tweezers or a toothpick to hold the LED in place whilst you solder the first side.
It is beyond the scope of this guide, but if you have a good quality multimeter, you can test if all the LEDís are all working correctly.

Solderingís done Ö what now?
Ok, itís reassemble time.
First (if youíve changed the LEDís for the LCD) is to refit the LCD housing and to ensure that the clips are tight. To function correctly, there must be an excellent contact between the LCD and the PC board. Then clip the PC board to the black faceplate.

At this point, youíre ready to fit the needles. Each gauge has a start and an end rest point. In other words, the spindle doesnít turn 360 degrees (more like 270 deg).
This is what worked for me:-
- First fit the water and petrol gauges needles. Make sure that each spindle is at the start rest position. Fit the needle onto the spindle, aligning it to the mark you originally made. Leave the needles slightly loose
- Take the Speedometer spindle and turn it until it reaches the end stop. Fit the needle and align it to the end stop position (where you made the 3rd mark). Very slowly turn the needle back until it reaches the Start rest point. If you have fitted the needle correctly, it will be pointing at the 2nd mark you made (after you switched off the ignition and removed the key). Leave the needle slightly loose
- Repeat for the Rev counter.
- Fit the needle caps

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Fit the dash back into the car and connect the connector and the battery.

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Switch the ignition on (do NOT start the car). If everything is fitted correctly, your needles will align perfectly to the 1st marks you made. If they donít, you can either adjust the needles slightly on the spindle until correct or, if they show something really weird, repeat the complete procedure from start.

Next, get hold of a SatNav and go for a drive. Check your speed reading on the speedo with what is shown on the SatNav. If everything is ok, your speedometer should read 3-4km/h FASTER than on the SatNav. This is not a fault but a legal requirement in the EU.

The Rev counter is also easy to calibrate. Switch the car on. Leave at idling. When the engine is warm, the revs should be between 750 and 800 rpm. If your needle reds differently, simply adjust

Finishing up

Once youíve aligned the needles correctly, simply press them down a bit so the fit more tightly. Reassemble the glass and refit everything as it was

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Some info:
Total time taken 1hr 30min (includes 2 pints, taking photos, making notes and swearing at the dog).
Cost: GBP 12.00 including shipping (I already had the tools and flux)

Credits:
A huge BIG thanks to Deekstar, Siadz and Brin Ė I pestered them with 101 questions and they always answered patiently. Without their help, I would not have been able to do this.
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Re: Punto Mk3/Mk2b Change instrument cluster LED colour

looks really good! ild love to try it but sounds abit to fiddley and complex for me lol

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Re: Punto Mk3/Mk2b Change instrument cluster LED colour

OMG you have no idea how much I want to have blue lights instead of those orangey hideous ones.
Even with so much help and guidance , I just know I won't be able to do it..
I only got to the point where I took the clocks out and the plastic fascia, and when I came to fiddle with the needles I chickened out in case I broke something and had to replace the whole thing and might not be able to find ones with the same mileage lol
I would pay you tomorrow if you could come do it for me !!!
Great thread !
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Re: Punto Mk3/Mk2b Change instrument cluster LED colour

@ Jess
Thanks.
If you got the clocks out and the plastic fascia off, you've done most of the 'donkey work'.
With regards to the needles, they're much sturdier than they look. Before you start, you should have a full tank of petrol and the car should be cold (for coolant temperature). Its not essential, but it helps a lot. The critical part is to mark the poisiton of the needles before you pull them off.
Take the glass off, reconnect the plug at the rear and the negative battery lead.
Turn on the ignition but don't start the car. Mark (I used a soft pencil) the position of all the needles as they are. A simple tick will do. Petrol should show full, Temp should be on 0 as will Rev counter and Speedo.
Turn off the ignition, repeat the take out the key and remove the plug at the rear. At this point you will find that the Petrol and Temp needles will show 0, while the Rev counter and Speedo have dropped by 2-3mm.
Mark the resting place - this is where you will aim when refitting the needle.
Gently rotate the rev and speedo needles clockwise until you find that they encounter resistance. Stop and mark again.
PLace the clock flat on a surface,face up, prise up the black cap on the needle and with a pair of long nose pliers pull each needle straight up. It simply slides off.
The rest is easy.
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Re: Punto Mk3/Mk2b Change instrument cluster LED colour

Hiya

I've been looking into doing this myself recently to my mk2b. I've had a look on that website you've used crazyleds.co.uk and I can't seem to find the bulbs you've suggested? However I have found the speedometer conversion kit and switch rail... These would just do the same job wouldn't they rather than buying the individual bulbs??

I also want to change the bulbs behind them 3 dials that control your air vents but I don't know where to find the one's you suggested...

Help! :P
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The leds can be found here: http://www.crazyleds.co.uk/PLCC-2-3528/

With regards to the switch rail you can get the kit that they advertise. As far as the main cluster is concerned, I'm not sure if the Mk2 kit that they advertise has the same number of leds or positioned in the same placeas for the Mk2b/Mk3. Certainly the display in the cluster is different. Being unsure, I decided to buy the led's separately (I think it also works out a bit cheaper buying separately).

The lights behind the airvent /heater dial switches are another beast altogether. They don't require soldering at all. Its a simple replacement. You can use Bright White SMD LED Wedge Light 286 T5, which you can also get from Crazyleds: http://www.crazyleds.co.uk/T5-286-LED/. Simple replacement for the existing bulbs.
If you decide to go with these specific bulbs/leds, you also need to CAREFULLY clean off the inside of the plastic dial face to remove the orange colour (so it shows white or whatever colour you choose). I tried leaving it like that, and it looked cr@p.
To remove the yellow, you can use nail polish remover or acetone and if you're really brave (it works very fast) you can use Automotive Thinners (Hammerite sell a 250ml can). Whatever you use, be VERY careful as it is easy to damage the plastic foil....been there, done that 4 times
You might want to consider lining the 'hole' behind the dial faces with tin foil or some reflective material to make the light stand out. I wasn't too buzzed, so I left it like that. For my tastes, its bright enough.
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Brilliant! This ACTUALLY helps! The second link you gave me for the airvent dials.. there are 3 different bulbs on the link. Which of the 3 is the right one? And how many would you suggest buying for the all 3 dials??
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Re: Punto Mk3/Mk2b Change instrument cluster LED colour

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I used this one: 286 T5 Capless LED
Looking at the web page, you might be able to use this one as well 286 T5 Capless LED. It should give you a much better light.
If you decide to go this way, drop an email at crazyleds and ask them. I've always found them to be super helpful.

Its been a while since I did mine, but if I remember correctly there are 4 bulbs could even be 3, but no more than that.
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Hello again!
Well, I got my LED's and spent 7 hours last night fitting them in!! Argh. Everything looks perfect and all my needles are working perfectly again..
BUT, I messed up one of the LED's on the switch board... the City button light doesn't work because I damaged some of the wiring on the circuit.
So I'm spending my Sunday afternoon ringing scrap yards up to get a new one... :/
I'll feedback soon and try get some pictures up!
Thanks for all your help!
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Pictures are uploaded in my garage section on here. Still need to sort the dials out, but I'll get round to that when I've caught up on some sleep. Thanks for the help, best thread ever
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It's a pleasure. Glad I could be of help
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Pictures are uploaded in my garage section on here. Still need to sort the dials out, but I'll get round to that when I've caught up on some sleep. Thanks for the help, best thread ever
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Re: Punto Mk3/Mk2b Change instrument cluster LED colour

Draging up an old thread, I know, but needed to say thanks for this guide Helped me hugely when I swapped out the LEDs in my Mk2... went from orange all over to blue LCD odometer, blue warning lights (well, blue for things like indicators, etc, red for all the actual warnings) blue dials and white needles (used turps to take off the red paint, replaced with white TipEx ).

I wasn't sure about replacing the indicators, headlights, etc LEDs with blue, but the only comment the MOT guy had was asking if the same would work on his Corsa :P

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great write up, and am looking forward to doing this except:

on my last car i just removed the dashboard, there was no mention of marking the needles.....etc

cant the marks be made without starting the ignition? (ie all laying flat)
this part really confuses me, perhaps a video clip made of this stage would proove to be helpful lol (especially for me)

another reason for my confusion is if you change your dashboard for what ever reason there would be no marks....for example the statement above about ruining the circuit board "city button"
on her new board there would be no marks???
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In life there are probably 101 way to do things. This happened to be the way I did it, after asking A LOT of questions to some of the guys who went through the process before me.

The reason for marking the needles etc, is to avoid having to go to an autoelectrician (and paying a small fortune) to calibrate your dials. Or to avoid unnecessary "pocket pain"
Say, for example, after your mod your speedometer reads 30 miles per hour but, in reality, you're doing 40 and the boys in blue bust you for it. I think 10 minutes extra preparation time is well worth the pain later. I've had my fill of making unwilling donations to the local cops

The marks cannot be made lying flat. The reason is very simple. When you remove the ignition key the "rest position" of the needles is not at the start line of the gauge. It is about 3-4mm lower. So you first need to mark the rest position. Then you need to mark where the needles move to (especially if the fuel tank is not full), when the ignition is on.
For this you need power. The leads to the connector blocks that fit on the rear of the cluster are not long enough to pull it out and lay it flat. I suppose you could do it the other way and pull the cluster out, lay it flat and mark the rest position, then replace the cluster and mark the "ignition on" position. Just seems like more work to me.

The marks we're talking about are made with a soft pencil - a simple line or dot to mark the position of the needle so you can refit it easily. If you want, you can rub them out after refitting. They don't come standard

The problem of the circuitboard of the "City" button, has nothing to do with the needles and the marks.
That occurred because the poster made a mistake during soldering and ruined the copper track etched on the pcboard. There are ways around that problem as well, but they are beyond the scope of this guide.

About the video.... not possible at the moment. I'd need to be doing a cluster to show every step. Currently I wont be doing another cluster (quite a few have asked me to) simply because I don't have that much free time. Work is taking up a LOT of it. Given the way the economy is, I need to hang onto my job
If I can figure out a way to do one easily, without doing a cluster, I'll post it.

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great write up, and am looking forward to doing this except:

on my last car i just removed the dashboard, there was no mention of marking the needles.....etc

cant the marks be made without starting the ignition? (ie all laying flat)
this part really confuses me, perhaps a video clip made of this stage would proove to be helpful lol (especially for me)

another reason for my confusion is if you change your dashboard for what ever reason there would be no marks....for example the statement above about ruining the circuit board "city button"
on her new board there would be no marks???
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Re: Punto Mk3/Mk2b Change instrument cluster LED colour

thankyou for your reply and i totally agree with a different ways of doing things, i expect only one proper way when it comes to a punto lol....

theres no real need to do the video, its just im a little confused on it, as you have to mark when ignition on then again when you remove the needles....and i was getting myself confused......and thankyou for explaining why the needles to marked,,,makes sence once you know the reason lol...

thanks :thumbs:

it is a great write up and ill be following it soon....
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