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Air conditioning on Punto

Hi. My lovely grandpa has passed away two months and I have inherited his Fiat Punto. The model is the 1.2 8v petrol, but it has one clue: no air conditioning system. I know that someone will say "the cost is above the overall car value", and someone will recommend me to sell it and buy for another car, but let me explain that the car has just 50k kilometres, and by now I don't have so much money to spend. And, above all, I have an affective bond with this car, so to me it seems quite like a sin to give it away. Since I want to keep it, is there someone around Europe which does this kind of operation for a honest price? I live in Italy but I can move around Europe easily, specially in the eastern countries, but i have no problems with uk, spain, france and germany. So i
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Let's put it like this, I can and have done this sort of work and would not do it again, it is phenomenally expensive and takes a huge amount of time.

This is not something that any general garage would offer, these days the electronics also needs to be factored in and appropriately programmed.

You might find a company that would fit an after market set up but this sort of system would be likely, underpowered and be a Heath Robinson setup.

The other arguments are everything you've already mentioned.

The car is likely only worth a few hundred euros, by the time you've bought a compressor, all the pipework, evaporator, condenser, new radiator fan, receiver unit, new dash controls you will have likely spent a couple of thousand euros, and that's without someone fitting it all to the car, which usually requires the dash out and a large amount of work under the bonnet. Taking a few days to get it all installed, then you need to have it all wired and set up, before getting the system gassed and leak tested, if you find a problem at this point you may well be back to square one.

Feel free to trawl the internet to try and find someone who would do it, but good luck, you might find some car restoration companies can offer something, but expect to remortgage the house, sell off the family silver and sacrifice your first born, to be able to afford it.
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or for the cheap option...just wind down the windows when it's hot
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totalled punto with aircon is cheap but as andy said its alot of work to swap all
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Let's put it like this, I can and have done this sort of work and would not do it again, it is phenomenally expensive and takes a huge amount of time.

This is not something that any general garage would offer, these days the electronics also needs to be factored in and appropriately programmed.

You might find a company that would fit an after market set up but this sort of system would be likely, underpowered and be a Heath Robinson setup.

The other arguments are everything you've already mentioned.

The car is likely only worth a few hundred euros, by the time you've bought a compressor, all the pipework, evaporator, condenser, new radiator fan, receiver unit, new dash controls you will have likely spent a couple of thousand euros, and that's without someone fitting it all to the car, which usually requires the dash out and a large amount of work under the bonnet. Taking a few days to get it all installed, then you need to have it all wired and set up, before getting the system gassed and leak tested, if you find a problem at this point you may well be back to square one.

Feel free to trawl the internet to try and find someone who would do it, but good luck, you might find some car restoration companies can offer something, but expect to remortgage the house, sell off the family silver and sacrifice your first born, to be able to afford it.

guys it doesn't matter how much work there's to do: i'm not a car specialist and that's i'm searching for someone which will do this job for me. In Italy several specialists asked me amounts like 1800 euros. The car value is quite above the 2k because is just 10 years old and it has not so much kilometres. But i just want to know if is there out someone which is willing to do that cheaper.

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or for the cheap option...just wind down the windows when it's hot
you didn't even traveled to italy in summer afternoons when it's 40 c
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Not many 1.2 8v got aircon in the first place....
Why?
The engine is a little underpowered
Its a 4cyl 60bhp setup

Yet 1litre toyot lump is 68bhp on 3 cylinders
Fords 1litre is about 100bhp (turbo tho)

Aircon running is a big ppwer drain and petrol drain

So here in the uk when summer is at best 30 - 33 degrees we survive without

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My advice is of the vareity u dont wanna hear
Dont bother....
Not worth it, its a specialist gas that needs a proper qualified guy
Ykur grandad survived without, be strong like he was, and survive without it

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Echoing the sentiments of what's been said, and playing to the fact that it is your late grandfather's car, why not keep it as it is and only use it on days when the weather is suitable to the lack of Aircon? If it's low mileage it'd be a shame to (effectively) ruin its originality by shoehorning AC in there and turning it into a daily driver.
For the amount of money it'd cost, get a 2nd car to use as a daily driver and keep this for when the weather is just right
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guys it doesn't matter how much work there's to do: i'm not a car specialist and that's i'm searching for someone which will do this job for me. In Italy several specialists asked me amounts like 1800 euros. The car value is quite above the 2k because is just 10 years old and it has not so much kilometres. But i just want to know if is there out someone which is willing to do that cheaper.
You basically have your answer then, that seems pretty reasonable given the costs of parts and the amount of work involved

Anyone offering anything cheaper is likely to be doing a bodge job that could leave you with an expensive repair bill when it goes wrong.

The question is, would it be a OEM system or an after market system, the standard mk2 aircon is a bit weak as the car windows are large and the car heats up very quickly in the sun. And aftermarket set up is likely to have a lower BTU rating than an OEM set up
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You basically have your answer then, that seems pretty reasonable given the costs of parts and the amount of work involved

Anyone offering anything cheaper is likely to be doing a bodge job that could leave you with an expensive repair bill when it goes wrong.

The question is, would it be a OEM system or an after market system, the standard mk2 aircon is a bit weak as the car windows are large and the car heats up very quickly in the sun. And aftermarket set up is likely to have a lower BTU rating than an OEM set up
And what if i buy all the oem pieces needed (compressor, evaporator...) and i put it into my xar. Would you do that for me? I have no problem driving for miles
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And what if i buy all the oem pieces needed (compressor, evaporator...) and i put it into my xar. Would you do that for me? I have no problem driving for miles
As explained above, absolutely not, it is an utter pig of a job, takes several days and therefore huge amounts of time.

10 years ago maybe, these days i would ever have the time to do something like that, even if I did have the inclination. Plus you'd have to drive from Italy to the UK pay for fuel, insurance, uk channel crossing, hotels for days, even if I gave my time for free (which I wouldn't) you would still not save anything by traveling.

It's one thing to do it for your own cars when you can take your time at your own pace, I'd not do anyone else's, and it would have to be for a very special reason before I even did my own now.
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Seriously, for the amount of time and effort, get a 2nd car which has AC for the days when it's too hot to drive the Punto.
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guys it doesn't matter how much work there's to do: i'm not a car specialist and that's i'm searching for someone which will do this job for me. In Italy several specialists asked me amounts like 1800 euros. The car value is quite above the 2k because is just 10 years old and it has not so much kilometres. But i just want to know if is there out someone which is willing to do that cheaper.



you didn't even traveled to italy in summer afternoons when it's 40 c
mk2 punto in italy doesnt cost 2k, more like 500 eur in good condition
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