Technical Twin dipped beam headlights

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Technical Twin dipped beam headlights

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Hi people:) been looking at mk2s headlights today. Mine does not have fog lights BTW. The dipped beam projectors look like they could be retro fitted into the chrome blank area giving twin dipped beam lights. Has anyone done this? It would look awesome imo..
 
Sadly not legal on a car this new. Used to be, but not after somewhere mid 70s I think.
Thanks..but why not legal? As long as the beam is mot specific I can't see why not. When next at work in garage I'll have a word with our mot tester. I just wondered if anyone else had done this. I have two spare head light units as spares.
 
There fog lights
They are positioned as such they will scatter the light vs directing it

As for powering
Dont ffs piggyback off the current lights
Itll just overheat wiring and pop fuses
Do a seperate relay feed

But im not sure having 2 beam batterns is legal?

Id expect them to point too far out - dazzling other drivers and your probably get hibeamed back

Ziggy
 
Sadly not legal on a car this new. Used to be, but not after somewhere mid 70s I think.

Thanks..but why not legal? As long as the beam is mot specific I can't see why not. When next at work in garage I'll have a word with our mot tester. I just wondered if anyone else had done this. I have two spare head light units as spares.

MOT tester may not know about the legal requirements. He only has to ensure what is fitted works and the beam is correctly set. So asking them may not give you the right answer. Of course, few police officers will know the rules either, but if you run with two pairs of dipped beams you will draw attention to yourslef, and eventually someone will check the rules.

Vehicle Lighting Regulations: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1989/1796/schedule/4/made

The following bit relates to adding extra dipped beams.
The key bit is that only one pair may be illuminated at any time.
This allows a vehicle to have four headlamps, with two left-dip and two right-dip, perhaps for a vehicle that visits the continent regularly.

PART II Requirements relating to optional dipped-beam headlamps

1. In the case of a vehicle with three or more wheels having a maximum speed exceeding 25 mph first used on or after 1st April 1991, two and not more than two may be fitted and the only requirements prescribed by these Regulations in respect of any which are fitted are–

(a)those specified in paragraphs 2(c), 4, 7, 10 and 12(a) of Part I,

(b)that they are designed for a vehicle which is intended to be driven on the right-hand side of the road,

(c)that they form a matched pair, and

(d)that their electrical connections are such that not more than one pair of dipped-beam headlamps is capable of being illuminated at a time.

2. In the case of any other vehicle, any number may be fitted and the only requirements prescribed by these Regulations in respect of any which are fitted are those specified in paragraphs 2(c), 4, 7 and 12(a) of Part I.


You can of course run with foglamps on in addition to the headlamps, which as long as they are a pair, and used with the dipped beams, are in fact legal. However, most police seem to think that the rules for rear foglamps apply to front ones, so you'll attract all the wrong attention.
Front foglamps, as a pair, can be used with sidelamps, in fog or falling snow. They can also be used as a pair, or singly, with dipped beams.
Rear foglamps can only be used in fog or falling snow, when visibility is reduced to 100m or less.
If you have front fogs, the warning lamp is green, for rears it is yellow. A clue there. Green is information, yellow a warning, as there are legal implications.

Back in the early nineties I had a copy of the regs in my desk at work, as I worked on aftermarket replacement lighting for a major parts supplier. Sad, I can still remember the key points.:cry:
 
Sad, I can still remember the key points.:cry:

Impressive though unless you are lying awake thinking about it?

I wonder what happened to all of those guys who knew what the part numbers were for my 17 year old car back in 1977 before computers were about? Seemed to me at the time these people could have been rocket scientists if they had the opportunities.
 
Impressive though unless you are lying awake thinking about it?

I wonder what happened to all of those guys who knew what the part numbers were for my 17 year old car back in 1977 before computers were about? Seemed to me at the time these people could have been rocket scientists if they had the opportunities.

I was for a time one of those guys.

Back when cars needed more frequent maintenance and repairs, the fastest moving parts always stuck in our heads. Often they'd be placed close to the selling counter, labelled with application, so no need to lookup, just grab and go.

Now with cars so much more reliable, much more difficult to memorise part numbers as fewer are sold, or as regularly. A good thing.
 
I was for a time one of those guys.

Back when cars needed more frequent maintenance and repairs, the fastest moving parts always stuck in our heads. Often they'd be placed close to the selling counter, labelled with application, so no need to lookup, just grab and go.

Now with cars so much more reliable, much more difficult to memorise part numbers as fewer are sold, or as regularly. A good thing.

I too have a copy of the lighting (and construction & use) regs from back when you had to buy a print copy, not just download them.
Front fogs are interesting, you still should not use them were they can dazzle other drivers. Other snippets are that 12 seat Landrovers are specifically excluded from the minibus regulations (but you can drive them in the bus lanes in Cambridge) and under the lighting regs mirrors are not reflectors so you van have that polished SS Robin Hood or chrome wrap.


Robert G8RPI.
 
I was for a time one of those guys.

Back when cars needed more frequent maintenance and repairs, the fastest moving parts always stuck in our heads. Often they'd be placed close to the selling counter, labelled with application, so no need to lookup, just grab and go.

Now with cars so much more reliable, much more difficult to memorise part numbers as fewer are sold, or as regularly. A good thing.

Aye changed days indeed. Back in the early 70's part of my apprenticeship was working in the parts department for a year. I did land up remembering quite a lot of numbers, but what sticks in my mind the most was this legendary parts man who worked in the SMT garage in Aberdeen who new every part number off by heart, not only that, he also new if the part was out of stock . We are talking about a lot of parts here by the way. Impressive stuff.
 
Hi people:) been looking at mk2s headlights today. Mine does not have fog lights BTW. The dipped beam projectors look like they could be retro fitted into the chrome blank area giving twin dipped beam lights. Has anyone done this? It would look awesome imo..

There is a guide where someone has converted the fog light blanks into DRLs.

Here it is:

https://www.fiatforum.com/punto-mk2-2b-guides/269997-led-day-running-lights.html

As it was published years ago you may be able to find some round LED DRLs from Ebay that would fit.

You could buy a set of lights that have the fogs already installed and then re-wire it to come on with the dipped beam, as per the other replies the beam pattern would be incorrect, you may be able to fit a projector in there but the light units are a real bitch to get apart.
 
Nitramptr said "...you may be able to find some round LED DRLs from Ebay that would fit."

Note that the DRL must be type approved and (E) marked to be road legal. They are available e.g. Ring BRL0402 Apollo. Hella make them too.
There are no UK placement requirements, but UNECE regs say height between 250 mm and 1500mm and distance between the inner edges of the two lamps of at least 600mm. If you follow this you will have shown best practice and should have no issues.
See:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/daytime-running-lights/daytime-running-lights
and
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/placement_requirements_for_retro

Robert G8RPI
 
Hi people:) been looking at mk2s headlights today. Mine does not have fog lights BTW. The dipped beam projectors look like they could be retro fitted into the chrome blank area giving twin dipped beam lights. Has anyone done this? It would look awesome imo..
As it's been excellently pointed out to me..the legality of the MOD..I'll just be leaving things alone. Thanks for all your advice BTW:) thanks to all who replied!:)
 
There fog lights
They are positioned as such they will scatter the light vs directing it

As for powering
Dont ffs piggyback off the current lights
Itll just overheat wiring and pop fuses
Do a seperate relay feed

But im not sure having 2 beam batterns is legal?

Id expect them to point too far out - dazzling other drivers and your probably get hibeamed back

Ziggy
Come on mate! Please credit me with some intelligence;) I was of course going to run a trigger wire and relay. But now I've been told its not road legal I'll be leaving lights alone:) just thought it would be a nice mod..
 
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