Hi guys, I'm a newbiee on this forum, and I'm not a great mechanic, but I now the basics...I have a question which may sound like I don't know s*

I have a mk2 for 2 months, and it's a fine one, but I've noticed that it starts to fly at abbout 4000 rpm, and I'm just wondering is that when a turbine starts or what? Is there a turbine? I'm "loosing" about half of liter of motor oil on every 2000 km, is that normal (turbine), I don't see any leaks and I did a full service 2000 kms ago...

Sorry for liters and kilometers, not galons and miles, I'm from Europe, Serbia

p.s. I have a Punto MK2 Sporting, nice blue (90) ,year 2001, alloy wheels, 6 gears, nav system, 6 speakers + subwoofer, 5 CD charger (everything Blaupunkt), lowered, foil on back windows, K&N air filter, self ventilating front disc brakes
Actualy, everything is "from factory" except the K&N and brakes

Sorry for not bad, but non techical expressions and terms, I dont know so many words in English relating to mechanic..

Cheers!

The most important ...
It's a 1.2 16V 80bhp engine

You will burn oil if you don't use the correct oil.

5w30 or 5w40 but do a Forte engine flush to make sure all seals and rings are in order.

the 16v unit is a revy engine and peak torque and peak power are over 4,000rpm from memory especially if you have fitted a cone filter like the k&n as this robs you of all your low end torque.

my mk2 sporting nice blue is exactly same. when it gets to 4000 there is a noticable boost of power.

how ever there is no turbine turbo etc

I use a Selenia Gold, i know it's not the best one, but it's ok for the money, it's 5 euros per liter here, and Mobil for example is 15 euros/liter
I don't know the exact words, my vocabular is short on car mechanics...I did a big service, that means all belts, oil, filters, sparks, cables, and the most important for leaks but I dunno the words...in Serbian it's 'semering', 'shpaner' etc
@Lowtechguy: are you sayin my K&N is taking away power in low rpm's? I didnt understand...It's a oval one, not cone, but it's the same..

oktopod said:

I use a Selenia Gold, i know it's not the best one, but it's ok for the money, it's 5 euros per liter here, and Mobil for example is 15 euros/liter
I don't know the exact words, my vocabular is short on car mechanics...I did a big service, that means all belts, oil, filters, sparks, cables, and the most important for leaks but I dunno the words...in Serbian it's 'semering', 'shpaner' etc
@Lowtechguy: are you sayin my K&N is taking away power in low rpm's? I didnt understand...It's a oval one, not cone, but it's the same..

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Yes, k&n filters have no length, Length in the inlet tract is how the engines torque curve is tuned, by simply bolting on a filter you reduce torque shift the power curve to the right and maybe gain 2-3bhp but loose torque making you worse off. On recent cars however they have lost as much as 15bhp compaired to the standard.

@thefishdude: do you have K&N?

And how long should the inlet be, measured from which point?

It has to be calculated properly :bang:

GSR does this and makes a single piece silcone hose with mandral type (smooth bends rather than sharp) and several tricks to increase airflow ram, pulse charge and venturi to name a few.

Sell the K&N and get the real deal, those that try to copy end up with less power and more money spent.

I thought so... :bang:

The problem is that I don't want to spend too much money on my car, I would like to enjoy what I have and practice my hands That means I'll try with few hoses with diferent length...

Big thanx, I just hope that the filter is the "problem" for kicking at 4krpm, not at start,it has power in low rpms, but I think I can feel a bit of suffication before 4krpm
I had an idea of taking filter off on a nice sunny day and drive without it few miles..but then again maybe it's not the filter itself with the short length hose, but only the length of the hose, so I'm back on start....I'll get back 2 ya with results

nope my engine is standard in my car.

yes your engine, the 16v engine, does like to rev more than the 8v engine, and even in standard spec you will notice it has more power ABOVE 4,000rpm thats how small revvy italian engines work, lots of revs

you've added a filter which isn't doing it any favours, it won't damage the engine (if kept clean with the proper K&N cleaner chemical) but it won't be making any more noticable power, and you will find it using more petrol and at lower rev's it does not have as much power/ 'go'.

as for the word you cannot translate, I think you mean 'timing' (in english), it means the relation between the crankshaft rotating and the CAM shaft rotating. if th timing is wrong on teh 16v engine you can do serious damage, even 1 tooth out of line on the cam belt *could* result in damage.

0.5l of oil every 2000km is OK, most 16v engines in standard tune burn no oil atall. this may be down to the K&N filter again, did you have to remove any black rubber hoses from the OLD air filter box?

peak torque is at 4200. The engine is not a very torquey engine which is the reason the standard airbox also has a resonance chamber, this increases torque low down. One well known tuner acheived around 130 bhp with this engine, and the torque barely increased at all. Those were the claims anyway.
In short, with the resonance chamber gone then your engine is behaving as expected, peakier up top, less torque at the bottom. At least one tuner is fitting the 8v head to the 16v short block to improve torque and have a tough rev happy bottom end

Engines :bang:

davethetrike said:

At least one tuner is fitting the 8v head to the 16v short block to improve torque and have a tough rev happy bottom end

Engines :bang:

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All late Mk2 1.2 8v engines come with a 16v block from factory.

davethetrike said:

peak torque is at 4200. The engine is not a very torquey engine which is the reason the standard airbox also has a resonance chamber, this increases torque low down. One well known tuner acheived around 130 bhp with this engine, and the torque barely increased at all. Those were the claims anyway.
In short, with the resonance chamber gone then your engine is behaving as expected, peakier up top, less torque at the bottom. At least one tuner is fitting the 8v head to the 16v short block to improve torque and have a tough rev happy bottom end

Engines :bang:

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If its the one with throttlebodies, that car has had more mapping time than the original fiat ecu and is still not right...

Acctually, I bought a car without original filter, the car was in an accident where they broke front bumper, radiator, filter and exsaust collector, so I got it for cheap but it's a great car, just needed some work and 150eur The chasis and bodywork are intact.
So, there is a piece of hose which goes from the front of the car to the plastic box of the filter, now that hose is uselless. I just planted K&N without a piece of hose.

How long should that hose be, or put it in other words, what's the length of the intake way?