Wimmy used to speak quite highly of the 1.2 engine, and the fact it outmatched the 1.4 replacement I'd be inclined to go with the Brava.... although thinking about it, it's a much bigger car.... :chin:

I reckon the Bravas revvy 1.2 16v would pull away. Is the Pug an 8v?

Yeah the pugs only 8v

someone took my nomination off, i didnt vote for the brava so couldnt have pressed the wrong button

as with most things in life, is not that simple. firstly how do you define a race? if you remove the driver (due to the number of variables it introduces) you can compare acceleration, topspeed & cornering ability as the 3 main characteristics which will affect race performance. drag will also be a minor factor in a top speed race, but due to the minor influence on low speed shopping cars will discount the drag variable.

power itself is a useless comparison, it does not consider weight. comparing the power to weight ratios will be a much better comparison. even more useful would be the torque to weight ratios. i think if you considered this you would find the peugeot actually appears to be the better car.

next stage of analysis considers the efficiency of the power and torque curves for both cars. at what rpm does max torque delivery occur, over what percentage of the rev range does 90%+ of the torque actually get delivered? what is the maximum rpm of both engines?

next consideration is the gearbox ratios. a shorter gear will be easier to turn, but it will also require an earlier change. for a drag race that considers acceleration up to 60mph, the shorer geared car will most probably have an advantage, assuming identical engines.

the vast number of vaiables makes it impossible to say which car will "win a race". you must define what a "race" is, identify the vaiables that influence race performance, calculate these variables, create a formula that allows the variables to indicate race performance as a numeric value, then compare the values. this could be a very difficult thing to do, and would be a good study for a final year uni project. creating a mathematical expression of a cars race ability is very difficult. i have only mentioned less than 10% of the things that influence a cars race ability.

at the begining of this post i mentioned the removal of the driver from the equation, this was done because the cars are so similar that i think the biggest contribution to race performance will be driver ability. the best driver would win in both cars.

if you forced me to choose a car i'd take the 206, it has a stiffer chassis, better wheel base width to wheel base length ratio, the gears feel shorter and the engine is revvy, its also lighter than a brava. however if you said a bravo or 206 i'd be stuck to choose, they are so similar it makes bugger all difference, as long as im driving id win

There aint that much difference between a bravo and brava.. Wheelbase and the like are all the same. Slightly stiffer chassis on the Brava given it has a boot rather than the hatch.

I'd put money on the Brava given every small pug driver I've seen has been acting like a c*** and will probably spin off the road in a ball of tyre smoke and flames...

Hellcat said:

I'd put money on the Brava given every small pug driver I've seen has been acting like a c*** and will probably spin off the road in a ball of tyre smoke and flames...

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:yeahthat: would put my money on popped diff or burnt out clutch for the Pug Pilot...

I say the Brava. I have no mathematical forumulas to back this up But from experiemce, Fiat engines seem more lively and faster reacting and are more rev happy. I could be completely wrong though. Just tell him that you're 100% sure you'd win, but can't be arsed to prove it, that'll pee him off

the bravo is more rigid as i said, the brava is only 80% as rigid.
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The torsional rigidity of the two new bodies is another factor which enhances the handling of the Fiat Bravo and Fiat Brava, contributing significantly to their roadholding abilities and stability, especially in terms of ride refinement. Figures of 80,500 daN/rad for the Fiat Brava and 102,600 daN/rad for the Fiat Bravo put both cars at the top of their class.

Those rear doors really make a big difference then? Shocking...

Hellcat said:

Those rear doors really make a big difference then? Shocking...

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so thats whats wrong with mine then i have rear doors lol

Take out the back seats and have them welded shut.. It's not as if you use them

Valeen said:

so thats whats wrong with mine then i have rear doors lol

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Nothing wrong with it, especially after suspension, but 3 strut braces here I come

Haha his is a bit high at the back, was yours level Helz or did you have a larger rear gap than front?

mines just had big fat hairy blokes who have owed it before me as the front seat will prove when you sit in them and they jab you back

I hate all Pugeots.

Every car that has ever come into with mine that I have witnessed has been a Pug.

First a 306 with a rear bumper that is higher then any cars front bumper, it reversed into my OSF wing.

Then a 106 that took off my front after doing silly speeds in a car park.

Then a 306 Driver who can't park for sh!t who contacted my while trying to park, was no damage but thats not the point.

I HATE PUGEOTS!!!!! All They Fookin' do is crash into things


Borrow me your Brava Sonic I'll race him AND remove that 206 from the road permanently similtaneously... your Brava may also suffer a similar fate though.

I dragged a Civiv LSi using a mate Civic VTi. I was probably going to win but the LSi driver (We'll call him Mr NOS West London) crunched 3rd and got duss out

Trancendental said:

All They Fookin' do is crash into things

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no not all, they also pretty good at catching on fire

...but they are quite accomplised at crashing into things in a rather spectacular way!

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the bravo is more rigid as i said, the brava is only 80% as rigid.
from fiatboo-
The torsional rigidity of the two new bodies is another factor which enhances the handling of the Fiat Bravo and Fiat Brava, contributing significantly to their roadholding abilities and stability, especially in terms of ride refinement. Figures of 80,500 daN/rad for the Fiat Brava and 102,600 daN/rad for the Fiat Bravo put both cars at the top of their class.

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I read on Yahoo cars that the the brava chassis is so rigid that a Golf of the same time wouldnt be able to keep up with a brava on B Roads (Not sure if it was for Brava or both Brava/O) lol

if you drove a golf of any age it would make you feel sorry for a bravo/a. they are so much better on B roads. by better i mean more predictable, more stable, easier to control, you feel confident that the car will go round every corner, you can tell exactly where the car is on the road. a few years ago now i had a good go of a 1.8 gti on a old X reg. i wasn't expecting it to be as good as it was even with the reputation they have, it was amazing, especially for its age. i'd still have one today. even the mk3 is great to drive. my bravo doesnt give me as much confidence in its abilties. i still feel like im guessing a bit round the hairy bends even with my hlx on alloys, low profiles and lowered 45mm. stiff chassis i might have but its still not a 'good' handling car by my standards.

to be honest i think my old escort could beat my bravo round a bendy B road.