portland_bill said:

Please, where did you find them at that price?

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dave said:

maybe here http://www.camskill.co.uk/m94b0s729...Eff_:_F_Wet_Grip:_C_NoiseClass:_2_Noise:_71dB

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Thanks dave , thats the place, also the uniroyal rain experts from the same place are the cheapest if found too.

Last year - i had the Uniroyal MS plus 6 on the rear of the punto

this year i now have a full set

Before winters on the rear, the backside of the old punto and tbh this punto is as well a little light on the backend under heavy braking, as a result it'd happily slide around or wiggle, which is somewhat un-nerving

A slapped a set on the rear as i needed 2 new tyres for the steel wheels, so winters went on

I found a big change in more stable braking
Okay i didnt stop quicker, there on rear drums, there crap anyway
But i found it helped no end with stability, even when driving

Going down a snowy hill - no problem, let my weak drums do the gentle braking and grip, while dragging the engine

The punto was alot easier to get down the hill

Btw PLus 6 = Smaller width tyres
plus 66 is when you have wider tyres

Ziggy

Hi,
I read MS and thought OK Mud + Snow tread pattern, ( been around for years - were termed Town + Country at one stage IIRC))

but are they softer "winter" compound..??,

there was a FF'er @ "remould" who appeared to be very knowledgeable on tyre design specs.,


Charlie

M+S tyres are not always winter tyres, you need snipes and soft compound for cold, ice and compacted snow. look for the snow flake symbol

:yeahthat:

M&S is simply a marking / stamp which is not regulated and any manufacture can stick on any tyre they wish.

As Dave Said winter tyres have the snow flake symbol and are softer compound with sipes (they're not snipes Dave, I've been incorrectly calling them snipes for ages ).

i'm blaming auto correct :devil:

Snipe: Not effective at clearing water or snow from under tyres.
With a beak like that though, might not want to upset it.

my alloys have cheap tyres on the front from new - they have a M+S marking

and they are 100% poo in a little bit of wet - let alone in snow or mud....

It wont be long before we are putting them on tho... the is dropping to around 5degs during morning and night, daytime is still too warm tho....


ziggy

Ziggy122 said:

the is dropping to around 5degs during morning and night,

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Where are you?

Still 15.8C outside here as I speak. Yet to see it below about 14C.

You'll be telling me you've got the heating on next

Most Easterly Pandas said:

Where are you?

Still 15.8C outside here as I speak. Yet to see it below about 14C.

You'll be telling me you've got the heating on next

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Midlands - but this is BBC weather quotes here! lol

The heating has come on a few times - some naturally - some forced to dry washing lol

Ziggy

Ill just be running my summer tyres again they were perfect in the snow last year

might buy 2 winters for the stilo ,, might do

Always have M&S tyres on the Panda 4x4

dragonwagon said:

Always have M&S tyres on the Panda 4x4

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not all M&S tyres are winter tyres

These ones are....Sava Eskimo S2....soon to be replaced with another set of the same.
sadly, the old Debica Frigo has been discontinued

On this topic... apparently we're in for the "worst winter in decades" - so considering winter tyres for the first time. I'm wondering, do I actually NEED steel wheels to go with them, or are they just a nice to have ?

Is there any reason I can't just use my OEM alloys with the correct profile winter tyres, and then have my existing summer tyres refitted ~March ?

Also, any thoughts on these ?

£67/corner,fitted: http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Bridgestone/Blizzak-LM32.htm

£65/corner, fitted: http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Goodyear/UltraGrip-8.htm

cjdl said:

On this topic... apparently we're in for the "worst winter in decades" - so considering winter tyres for the first time. I'm wondering, do I actually NEED steel wheels to go with them, or are they just a nice to have ?

Is there any reason I can't just use my OEM alloys with the correct profile winter tyres, and then have my existing summer tyres refitted ~March ?

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do you really want your alloys bashing and grazing curbs from slipping on ice or snow?
but on the otherhand, does your insurance company class changeing to steelies as an upgrade?
im on steels anyhow and needed new tyres so winters seemed to be a perfect choice for the time of year. will be fitting the first 2 this week sometime. im looking to get some alloys in jan so will put summers on them

cjdl said:

On this topic... apparently we're in for the "worst winter in decades" -

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some one says this about this time every year, i fell for it once and bought a panda 4x4 and that year we had about 1 day of light snow all winter.

but that said you don't need the winter to be the worst in decades to avoid being one of the 6000

"There are 6,393 more accidents involving cars on UK roads in winter than there are in summer, according to Continental Tyres While these can’t all be put down to frozen summer tyres, there’s no doubt that winter tyres reduce the likelihood of an accident and so help keep car insurance premiums down."

cjdl said:

I'm wondering, do I actually NEED steel wheels to go with them, or are they just a nice to have ?

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If you only have one set of wheels, you have to endure the changeover twice a year. Then either you store the spare set, or pay the tyre company to store them for you. With a spare set of wheels, you can swap them yourself whenever you please. More convenient, unless you don't have the space. Spare steels are usually cheaper than spare alloys.

MightyMutley said:

do you really want your alloys bashing and grazing curbs from slipping on ice or snow?
but on the otherhand, does your insurance company class changeing to steelies as an upgrade?
im on steels anyhow and needed new tyres so winters seemed to be a perfect choice for the time of year. will be fitting the first 2 this week sometime. im looking to get some alloys in jan so will put summers on them

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I haven't hit a kerb yet, even in the snow last year

My insurance company says I can change tyres, but can't change from Steelies TO alloys... but doesn't say i can't change from alloys to steelies. Emailed them to ask their position.

http://www.quotemehappy.com/need-help/How-do-I-change-my-policy-to-show-I-have-winter-ty

portland_bill said:

If you only have one set of wheels, you have to endure the changeover twice a year. Then either you store the spare set, or pay the tyre company to store them for you. With a spare set of wheels, you can swap them yourself whenever you please. More convenient, unless you don't have the space. Spare steels are usually cheaper than spare alloys.

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I see your point. With that said, i'm a lazy barsteward and likely wouldn't have the inclination to do it myself anyway. I do have room to store them

Think I'll see what my insurance company says RE: fitting steelies, and take it from there.

Thx

Insurance companies should see it as a reduced risk. You are making the effort to use winter tyres, so any suitable wheel should be ok. Hopefully you'll speak to someone who understands.