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Yes, AV. 19 42.22%
No, FPTP 19 42.22%
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Old 04-05-2011   #1
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AV voting?

Seen as tomorrow is the big referendum on the Voting System in the UK, just wondered which way people are thinking. Obviously i know that voting is supposed to be anonymous but lets have a mini referendum on here
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Re: AV voting?

As someone on my Facebook said "I'm not even sure which voting system is best... but I know that if the Tories are against AV ... it must be fair and just.."
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Re: AV voting?

I voted the wrong one by accident . I went to vote for NO
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If the Tories are so against AV surely David Cameron should stand down?
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Quote Originally Posted by maddogmorg View Post
If the Tories are so against AV surely David Cameron should stand down?
As I understand (and I'm happy to be corrected) the tories agreed to a vote to get the liberals into a coalition. I will be voting against the change, but it will make no difference the goverment will always get in.
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Quote Originally Posted by Eklipze3k View Post
As someone on my Facebook said "I'm not even sure which voting system is best... but I know that if the Tories are against AV ... it must be fair and just.."
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Re: AV voting?

Quote Originally Posted by Eklipze3k View Post
... but I know that if the Tories are against AV ... it must be fair and just.."
Yeah.. very apt

A YES win will certainly hurt Cameron (possible defect to the Lib-Dems if the Tory elders kick him out at the end of the term) but it should at least provide a stable coalition.

A NO win could conceivably bring down the government fairly quickly (Lib-Dems will most likely self destruct as a party) - and although that may well let Labour back in - it would be a massive disaster for the country as a whole
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Re: AV voting?

I vote for AV if we dont have it where the hell am i going to plug my freeview in?
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Re: AV voting?

Quote Originally Posted by Argonought View Post
(Lib-Dems will most likely self destruct as a party)
Good, I would vote no just to see that happen.
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UK has an elected dictatorship where only a small %age of voters get any say the results. Safe seats on both sides see to that. Once voted in, the leading party can do what they like. Its a Victorian system that's never moved on with the times. It leads to idiot ideas like Poll Tax and lax financial management that allowed the banks to get too big.

AV is a small step in a directions of more genuine democracy. Hopefully it wont get thrown out by folks who believe the old guard's scare mongering.
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Re: AV voting?

Quote Originally Posted by Argonought View Post
Yeah.. very apt

A YES win will certainly hurt Cameron (possible defect to the Lib-Dems if the Tory elders kick him out at the end of the term) but it should at least provide a stable coalition.

A NO win could conceivably bring down the government fairly quickly (Lib-Dems will most likely self destruct as a party) - and although that may well let Labour back in - it would be a massive disaster for the country as a whole
what makes you say that? I think the coallition is pretty stable now tbh, and why would a NO vote victory cause the lib-dems to self destruct? there sharing the power, more than they have ever had, I think itl just carry on as it is now.

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UK has an elected dictatorship where only a small %age of voters get any say the results. Safe seats on both sides see to that. Once voted in, the leading party can do what they like. Its a Victorian system that's never moved on with the times. It leads to idiot ideas like Poll Tax and lax financial management that allowed the banks to get too big.

AV is a small step in a directions of more genuine democracy. Hopefully it wont get thrown out by folks who believe the old guard's scare mongering.
Tbh though, isnt a genuine democracy an idea, rather than an actaul possible thing? The communists believed 'everyone equal' would work, but that needed a leader, and the leaders were dictators, who made everyone not equal, that was another decent theory, which is idealogic, but not possible. how can anyone live in a true democracy in this day and age, when you cant say this, cant do this, cant offend these people? a true democracy is where everyone is free to say/do as they wish, which with todays EU laws, just isnt possible
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Re: AV voting?

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Good, I would vote no just to see that happen.
A little short sighted though don't you think.

What about all the real suffering that would take place if this country is thrown into recession again.

The AV vote should be based purely on it's merits and not on party politics.

Hurt the Lib-Dems at the next election by all means - and AV allows you to do that quite well (just make sure they're not a preference )

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what makes you say that? I think the coallition is pretty stable now tbh, and why would a NO vote victory cause the lib-dems to self destruct? there sharing the power, more than they have ever had, I think itl just carry on as it is now.
The problem is that many liberals aren't at all happy working with the Tories (all the bad press on cuts and everything ).

Many wanted to work with Labour and are really only providing support in the coalition due the voting reform issue.

A NO win would mean they've given everything away and gained nothing.

I really think things could start to fall apart - and as said - that certainly wont benefit the country as a whole

..and at the very time we need stability
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i think i might just write ministry of magic down
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Re: AV voting?

Quote Originally Posted by Argonought View Post
A little short sighted though don't you think.
In that post yes, it was.
I will not be voting if favour of AV.

My reason are my own obviously, AV will change nothing. It may put different people in charge, but the party in place will always wrong someone.
Extreme example, Green party, the environmentalists love them, me and many other motorist will not.
Regardess of how they are voted into power they will do as they please and sod the people who put them there.
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Re: AV voting?

As we already have a version of this over here for our elections (single transferrable vote) I say no, else every idiot gets in (we use it for council and assembly elections). The lib dems only want it as its the only way they will get in (i.e. as everyones second choice) like in the irish elections of 1990 where the candidate with the most first preferences did not get elected.

As people do not understand the system expect to get a lot of spoiled votes as well!


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