I think that DRLs should also incorporate the turning on of rear lights. If nothing else it would prevent people who forget/refuse to turn their lights on in dark/rainy conditions being invisible.

Where did the £160pa increase in fuel costs come from, America? I have worked out that at an average of £1.10 per litre equals approx 32 GALLONS of fuel.

That is a lot of fuel just to power 2X27W (in my case) bulbs for a year.

i voted drivers should chose whant lights to use as i do couldnt be hacked going into a dahs menu to turn them off in bright sun shine nor have them permenantly on howether i dont mind them being introduced as long as there disableable buy the driver as i said bright sun shine mid day driving they look stupid any other time they look ok

on the other hand unless again mid day bright sun shine i have my side lights (incidentally led lighting low consumption) on continuously it makes me easier to see i'm sure

Maybe instead of DRL's. AL's? Automated lights!

They turn on after a certain degree of light has gone. all it would need is a light sensor connected to some lights.

Percyhahn said:

if people cant see other cars and people clear enough not to hit them in daylight, then should they really be driving?
imo i dont think it will change stats by much, if at all, as people will still drive the same, which in effect is why people crash, through bad judgement and stupidity, not bad vision.

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Are they not something that are linked? I know that I make judgements on my vision and what I can and cannot see.

Saying people will still drive the same is a big assumption. I doubt there will be as many head on overtake collisions if cars can be seen better.

The Sultan said:

i voted drivers should chose whant lights to use as i do couldnt be hacked going into a dahs menu to turn them off in bright sun shine nor have them permenantly on howether i dont mind them being introduced as long as there disableable buy the driver as i said bright sun shine mid day driving they look stupid any other time they look ok

on the other hand unless again mid day bright sun shine i have my side lights (incidentally led lighting low consumption) on continuously it makes me easier to see i'm sure

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So why turn them off in bright sunlight? Often bright sunlight is what masks visability on a summers day is it not?

karbineftw said:

Maybe instead of DRL's. AL's? Automated lights!

They turn on after a certain degree of light has gone. all it would need is a light sensor connected to some lights.

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So many cars have auto lights etc at the mo, but they don't operate until its too dark in my opinion. And visability isn't linked to brightness is it? Piddling down with rain, can't see other cars due to the rain, but still bright enough for auto lights to think they don't need to be on

Look stupid and chav tastic even on Audi's. They could use LED's which would cause minimal electrical current usage and thus less demand on the vehicles alternator.

Most Easterly Pandas said:

Are they not something that are linked? I know that I make judgements on my vision and what I can and cannot see.

Saying people will still drive the same is a big assumption. I doubt there will be as many head on overtake collisions if cars can be seen better.



So why turn them off in bright sunlight? Often bright sunlight is what masks visability on a summers day is it not?

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to a certain extent they are linked yes i agree, but vision is seeing the car coming towards you as you are about to overtake, judgement is the decision to overtake and the act of overtaking itself. the point i was making is that if you cant see that car coming in the daylight with normal visibility when the car is visible, when people dont have their lights on, then should you be driving without glasses/at all?
iv noticed that of a night time, side lights are near enough invisible from a not very far distance. if thats the case in the night, how are they going to be at all effective of a day?

Most Easterly Pandas said:

Are they not something that are linked? I know that I make judgements on my vision and what I can and cannot see.

Saying people will still drive the same is a big assumption. I doubt there will be as many head on overtake collisions if cars can be seen better.



So why turn them off in bright sunlight? Often bright sunlight is what masks visability on a summers day is it not?

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just figured my cars either guna be lit up buy the sun or reflecting the sun so either way a moving bright object and that would only be an idue in low level sun in witch case people should be watchin were there going with extra care i dont htink lights would overpower or be usefull in overpowering sunlight sometimes i forget to turn them off thou so not all the time i always have them on on motorways dual cariageways reardless

Whilst a lot of studies have been done on individual companies/brands or people using them, I wonder whether this will be negated when everyone is being mandated to use them?

Percyhahn said:

to a certain extent they are linked yes i agree, but vision is seeing the car coming towards you as you are about to overtake, judgement is the decision to overtake and the act of overtaking itself. the point i was making is that if you cant see that car coming in the daylight with normal visibility when the car is visible, when people dont have their lights on, then should you be driving without glasses/at all?

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Agreed, obviously in ideal conditions I be worried if someone couldn't see a car, but what does one concider ideal visability conditions. I personally see bright sunny days as not being ideal at times.

Over exposure by bright sun (not sure the technical terms), but also, sun reflecting brightly off of other objects (be it cars or other things), and that relection causing a dazzleing affect. Much the same as poorly alligned headlamps do at night.

The Sultan said:

or reflecting the sun

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Which in turn could dazzle other road users and prevent them from seeing other moving cars etc?



I just want to say, incase its coming across that way, I'm not trying to say people are wrong when I question what they say, or give examples like above, just trying to see if anyone can then turn around what I've said in reply incase I've overseen something.

Most Easterly Pandas said:

Agreed, obviously in ideal conditions I be worried if someone couldn't see a car, but what does one concider ideal visability conditions. I personally see bright sunny days as not being ideal at times.

Over exposure by bright sun (not sure the technical terms), but also, sun reflecting brightly off of other objects (be it cars or other things), and that relection causing a dazzleing affect. Much the same as poorly alligned headlamps do at night.



Which in turn could dazzle other road users and prevent them from seeing other moving cars etc?



I just want to say, incase its coming across that way, I'm not trying to say people are wrong when I question what they say, or give examples like above, just trying to see if anyone can then turn around what I've said in reply incase I've overseen something.

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thats the problem, there is, im guessing many arguments about 'ideal conditions'. when i say ideal conditions i mainly mean daylight, maybe cloudy, but not raining, because i think that warrants sidelights. i dont think bright days as such count as poor visibility, unless the sun id dazzling you. but even if the sun id dazzling you, having sidelights on wont improve visibility i dont think?

i dont think your saying people are wrong its good to question points and things

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thats the problem, there is, im guessing many arguments about 'ideal conditions'. when i say ideal conditions i mainly mean daylight, maybe cloudy, but not raining, because i think that warrants sidelights. i dont think bright days as such count as poor visibility, unless the sun id dazzling you. but even if the sun id dazzling you, having sidelights on wont improve visibility i dont think?

i dont think your saying people are wrong its good to question points and things

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notice you have a gray car is it just me or do some colours Gray, black, dark blue, Silver seem to blend in to the road in certain conditions?

Gray/silver cars in particular in fog/heavy spray

i run my headlights most of the time especially going to and from work as the sun is low in the sky blinding oncoming car drivers so anything you can do to be seen is a bonus in my eyes

Other than for "styling" i see no reason for DRL.

Like most others have said, if people cant see a car coming in daylight then there dog is ment to help em out.

for dusk driving there great, as a huge amount of drivers neglect to put on there headlights until its properly dark... but a simple light sensor would solve that.

I cant see DRL's saving any lives, if any it might cause a few more accidents due to the old boy going down the road thinking look at all these twonks with there headlights on during the day *flash flash* and slamming into the back of a parked car, ive been flashed once so far with my Evos running lights, but they are configurable so i could turn them off if i wanted.

They are a good idea. Headlights on all the time on bikes have been standard for years. Yeah people should see cars but sometimes they don't. Lights on all the time makes your car more noticeable to other people, how could anyone not want that?

Yeah you might not like LEDs but get used to them as you wont have a choice soon My lights stay on all the time anyway so they don't bother me. I don't really understand why people get annoyed at others having their lights on all the time. What difference does it make to you?

where lights are on, you stop the ability to see behind the light. DRL's are less of an issue, but unnecessary headlights on makes the road unsafer in general. Headlights are to see more road...if you turn them off and you can see the same amount of road then in my opinion they are unnecessary. Just think, in the lane you are in you can see all the cars up to a mile ahead...and what each car is doing...just based on two 5watt red lights. Why do we need 110watts of blinding light coming out of each oncoming car if there are streetlamps? My dad tells me they used to only use sidelights in towns, and headlights when needed..but not sure i believe him

Blank2k2 said:

Other than for "styling" i see no reason for DRL.

Like most others have said, if people cant see a car coming in daylight then there dog is ment to help em out.

for dusk driving there great, as a huge amount of drivers neglect to put on there headlights until its properly dark... but a simple light sensor would solve that.

I cant see DRL's saving any lives, if any it might cause a few more accidents due to the old boy going down the road thinking look at all these twonks with there headlights on during the day *flash flash* and slamming into the back of a parked car, ive been flashed once so far with my Evos running lights, but they are configurable so i could turn them off if i wanted.

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So if you have the option to turn them off, and you don't see the point in them, why do you get flashed for having your headlights on??

My Fiat is so small, that anything to help me be seen, and kept out of somebodies wheel arches is a bonus in my eyes.

Mytheroo said:

where lights are on, you stop the ability to see behind the light. DRL's are less of an issue, but unnecessary headlights on makes the road unsafer in general. Headlights are to see more road...if you turn them off and you can see the same amount of road then in my opinion they are unnecessary. Just think, in the lane you are in you can see all the cars up to a mile ahead...and what each car is doing...just based on two 5watt red lights. Why do we need 110watts of blinding light coming out of each oncoming car if there are streetlamps? My dad tells me they used to only use sidelights in towns, and headlights when needed..but not sure i believe him

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lol

punto_matt said:

lol

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I drive round in a bright yellow car that can't be missed, but i ALWAYS turn my sidelights on when I start the car. Then people have no excuse not to see me. At the end of the day using DRL's or sidelights isn't going to have much of an adverse effect to the driver, not a big enough one to notice so why not just use them?

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for dusk driving there great, as a huge amount of drivers neglect to put on there headlights until its properly dark... but a simple light sensor would solve that.

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But what I see as more of a concern is Rain/spray and fog.

All of which you can get in bright conditions, but where visability is severly reduced and light being on help, but none of these auto lights currently fitted to some cars work as 'lux' level is bright enough.

A friend has a 206 with auto everything, and in my opinion the lights don't come on early enough when getting dark.

Ever thought your opinion may be wrong? Lights might be auto but there is nothing stopping you turning them on yourself.