New to the forum and first off I apologise if this has been covered before! I have been and will be trawling the forum all night but with limited access to internet and limited time I'm going for the new thread.

Our 2006 1.1 Fiat panda has died a death in Mongolia and with a scarcity of Fiats this side of the world our option is an engine swap from a 2006 1.4 punto.

Can anyone confirm or deny that, these both being 8v fire engines, a straight swap is not only conceivable but should be fairly straightforward. As far as I can find, the gearbox will bolt on no bother. Size wise, the panda has a 1.4 variant which I presume uses the same engine as the punto and so engine mounting should be straightforward?

The boy has so far only agreed to part with the engine but is there anything else I really should try and scavenge from his car, (fuel pump?) he's selling reluctantly I think and so brakes etc are out the question, essentials to make the engine run only.

Is there anything else I'm likely to have missed or will need to consider?

As I said I will continue to search but any and all help would be much appreciated!!

Thank you all

Without knowing presicely i would get motor ecu and injectors and perhaps airbox...

Swap the engine, gearbox and all electronics and it should be ok. You will also need the ignition key and the instruments from the 1.4 car.

You might still have problems with ABS so may also need the body computer.

Rarely is it a straight swap.


Packaging is often different between cars that use the same engine.


Starter motor, alternate, coolant pipes, sensors locations, fuel pump, ECU and so on may or may not be different.



Even in the Panda 2003/8 there has been 9 different versions of the Fire engine.

I doubt just the engine will be enough.


I know this is not the same car but its 1.1 to 1.4 conversion

https://www.fiatforum.com/cinquecento-seicento/176286-my-1-4-16v-cinquecento-development-thread.html

If you buy a crashed written off 1.4 car you should be able to move the necessary parts to the 1.1 shell. So many parts are interdependent to do anything less will be asking for problems. You will (in UK at least) also have an insurance problem as the new car will be "heavily" modified and likely to demand higher insurance premiums than a standard 1.4 car.

Reading about FIRE engine tuning you might be able to fit a 1.2 engine as a direct replacement for the 1.1.

When all done, you would be better repairing or replacing the 1.1 engine. Then you can sell the car and put money to a 100HP.

Hi,
If you needed any help with insurance at all for this type of conversion then please feel free to drop me a line.
Regards,
Dan.

Dan, do Adrian flux do insurance cover in Mongolia?

Kronkron said:

Dan, do Adrian flux do insurance cover in Mongolia?

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Hi Kronkron,


Unfortunately our underwriters won't cover Mongolia if you are already situated there.


There are a handful of our underwriters who may be able to provide a green card 'third party' only cover for a single trip for a short period of time outside of the EU.


Thanks Dan

Cheers Dan.

I don't need it. The OP is in Mongolia as per his post; I was surprised when you offered insurance assistance on his conversion.

The issue with any Fiat engine swap is that the engine ECU, body computer, ignition key and instruments cluster are all coded together at first use. For example, if you fit a used instrument cluster from another car, the odometer will flash and might not total the miles.

This sounds bad for owners but is actually an effective anti theft system.

If you are fitting a significantly different engine, you would also need it's ECU and then all the others are needed. If you are going from 1.1 to 1.2 of a similar age it is likely the 1.1 ECU will work fine with the 1.2 engine. Keep it simple.

The issue with any Fiat engine swap is that the engine ECU, body computer, ignition key and instruments cluster are all coded together at first use. For example, if you fit a used instrument cluster from another car, the odometer will flash and might not total the miles.

This sounds bad for owners but is actually an effective anti theft system.

If you are fitting a significantly different engine, you would need it's ECU and then all the others are also needed. If you are going from 1.1 to 1.2 of a similar age it is likely the 1.1 ECU will work fine with the 1.2 engine.