Technical Another immobiliser issue

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Technical Another immobiliser issue

roseamoss

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Hello oh wise ones, this is my first plea for help....

I have read a number of posts relating to people with similar issues but they seem quite old and I am not sure if the "tips" have been updated. So I am really sorry if this is not very exciting!

I have a Fiat Panda, 2006. It has been starting intermittently and after various analytics :bang: it has been confirmed that the key is faulty (no memory in the fob!). The quote I have been given may render me having to scrap the car. I have followed many of the old instructions and my last visit was to Timpsons who said that their machine couldn't even read the chip. Main indicator of the problem from my perspective is that although everything is ready to go in terms of starting the car the immobiliser light stays on.

To get the car home I wanted to use the override method but don't have the 5 digit security code (have read that this isn't issued in the UK). I have called the ISR who have confirmed they don't hold this code.

I have found online places where I send the key and the "unit" so that a new key can be programmed but am hoping there is some other advise from the experienced people here.

Would the RAC using their diagnostics unit be able to tell me the security code?

Phew and thank you in advance.

Rose
 
Do you not have the second key? Car should have come with one flip key and one straight key.
 
Where are you based? Someone may be able to recommend a local auto locksmith.
Also, if there is no second key (bad situation!), if the key still works intermittently it may yet be possible to read the chip & write to a new key.
Or you could try tracing previous owners, in csse they still have the second key. You never know...
 
Thank you for your replies.

I am afraid I was very naive, when I paid for the car I was told there was only one key.

I am based in Teddington, Middlesex. The key works occasionally (very).

I was going to try calling Fiat to see if I could get the 5 digit code.

Rose
 
I was going to try calling Fiat to see if I could get the 5 digit code.
Rose

Ah... assumed you had. Try a main dealer. They (should) require copy of V5 and proof of ID, and charge for the service (£15 seems to be the going rate but could be more)

I did manage to get our local Timpsons to copy a slightly flaky key for a Panda, and it's still working 18 months later (but I did have to use persuasion and pick a quiet time). It took him a few attempts to get it to read, but we managed it with a bit of perseverance.
 
Yes I was too late to call Fiat last night, my local Timpson man was very helpful but explained that they have to order "official" keys in now from Fiat as they have been sued too many times by people that have taken their own keys in and then they have snapped or similar in their car!

As an aside do you know if the RAC can read the 5 digit security code from the main unit in the car itself?

Thank you for your guidance, no doubt I will be back here for more advice after speaking to Fiat.

Rose
 
do you know if the RAC can read the 5 digit security code from the main unit in the car itself?
Rose

Pretty sure they can't.

Another last-ditch thought... did the car come with any service history? One of our Pandas had the code printed on an old service invoice. Didn't realise until I had paid to get it again though!
 
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Okay so I have found a dealer that will supply security code, £39.50. Others are saying NO:bang:

Same dealer is saying can try to repair fob for £96 and new security code will be created - is this right?

Have wildly varying prices for a new key, £227 - £400.

Have found a company that will repair "any issue" with a fob, including transponder issues. I spoke to them on Friday and they were talking about me sending the immobiliser too but I am not sure if this is necessary. Any views? They are shut today (because they have lives!) but I will phone them on Monday and update my thread as they may be able to help others.

So my extra questions are:

- if I get the security code can I get someone/anyone (Timpson's won't) to programme a key without the immobiliser? Or is this just useful for bypassing the immobiliser and starting the car?

- if I get the security code can I programme the key myself if I buy a bit of kit from Ebay and does anyone have experience of this?

Thank you to those that have commented and particulary to "IRC".

Rose

PS to IRC. I checked through all the paperwork first in the hope of finding the code!
 
The code lets you bypass the immobiliser to start the car (complicated sequence using key and throttle pedal, so not great in traffic, but at least will get you home).
The code is also needed to reprogram the ECU with new keys (not cloned ones from Timpsons etc).
Don't get taken in by "easy" eBay reprogramming kit. Yet to see one work.
Can't get in touch with my local dealer at the moment, but I believe last new key + code from them was total of £135 + VAT. Plus programming which was another £30. (Desira in Diss. Not near you but the prices you have been given seem high)
 
The code lets you bypass the immobiliser to start the car (complicated sequence using key and throttle pedal, so not great in traffic, but at least will get you home).
The code is also needed to reprogram the ECU with new keys (not cloned ones from Timpsons etc).
Don't get taken in by "easy" eBay reprogramming kit. Yet to see one work.
Can't get in touch with my local dealer at the moment, but I believe last new key + code from them was total of £135 + VAT. Plus programming which was another £30. (Desira in Diss. Not near you but the prices you have been given seem high)
Thank you IRC, sorry for the delay but I must have missed a reply notification.

Have aborted the idea of self programming and agree most units have terrible reviews.

Interesting that the security code only helps with genuine keys not Timpson ones therefore potentially a waste of money other than under the circumstances you have already detailed.

Have found a couple of specialists who say transponders either work or don't work, never an intermittent problem. Further in their experience it is the ignition antenna and recommended I buy a second hand one. This has proved nigh on impossible but have sourced a new one for c£32. Do you have any view on this being the cause?

I was originally led to believe the chip would be a IR48 but opening up the fob it looks to be an IR46.

Place in Nottingham have stated that if transponder isn't working they can fix it, along with any fob issue, circuit, coil etc etc and that if the key doesn't work when I get it back (immobiliser wise) then they can talk me through reprogramming it/getting it in sync with the car. It is at a good price but I remain sceptical and would value your opinion!

Thank you, Rose
 
Place in Nottingham have stated that if transponder isn't working they can fix it, along with any fob issue, circuit, coil etc etc and that if the key doesn't work when I get it back (immobiliser wise) then they can talk me through reprogramming it/getting it in sync with the car. It is at a good price but I remain sceptical and would value your opinion!

If they are a proper auto locksmith then it sounds plausible and could well be the way to go. Thats about what I paid a local (to me) one for doing the same job. However, a friend used a different one and got conned out of £200 for a similar problem, so keep your wits about you.

Keys can go intermittent... I had one that did, so I know. Still got the key, and it still sometimes works, but I only know that coz I just tried it. The clone of it still works every time, and the receiver/loop is still the untouched original one... if it was the receiver/loop then surely Timpsons could copy it. As they have tried and failed, it does point to the key being the problem.

Forgot to ask.... is it a remote fob or basic key type?
 
Auto locksmiths should have the software to read the pin direct


Seen two way. One requires the body computer to be dismantled and the code read direct from the eeprom

Or


 
i once had a panda that had not had the keyreader placed round the ignition barrel,trust me here it was factory done possibly by a worker with a grudge
take down the lower cowling and check its in the right place
if its fine ask a local motortrader who he uses for similar problems this way a man and a van will come to you and if hes kitted up he can read the keycode from the bsi via the eobd cut you a key and fit it with a new chip
it costs about £225
 
Why are you getting a new key cut? will the one you got not turn in the lock?

My 06 Panda sporting remote fob didn't work when I got the car. would not knock out the code.

Timpsons confirmed there was no code coming off the key.

they programed a new transponder and fitted it into my existing fob for around £30 -£40 IIR. took a bit of explaining, but when they got it (the bit which involves not cutting a key and not putting the transponder they just programmed into a new key, but putting it into an old key) they did a grand job. been fine for the last 80K ish miles :)

They needed the car and the spare key as they have to program the old and new transponders into the car's ECU - any key not re added will no longer work.

Sure I've posted on here before about it.

Don't think they copied an existing code from the spare key :confused:

The tap code comes in handy to get the car to timpsons. mangoletsi gave me the code for about a tenner IIR... you could call them for a quote - I don't think they have a restriction on which part of the country they cover. can't remember how I got the code - perhaps they posted it to the name and address which matched the car registration details.

Edit... there is 3 bits to the remote key - they blade that turns in the lock, the transponder which de activates the imobiliser, and the bit that cominicates with the central locking. on your remote 2 of the 3 things work??? Timpsons did not touch the remote unlock section or the blade - but be cairfull as some can't get past the fact you want only 1 of the 3 functions of they remote key fixing ;)
 
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Just watched the video... Timpsons did not fix my existing remote key which had a dead code on it, the programed in a stand alone chip (looks like a glass pill) and inserted it into my fob

looks like this IIR

New-Virgin-T6-font-b-ID48-b-font-font-b-Transponder-b-font-font-b-Chip.jpg
 
Hi Louie, I have a Panda 2006 with a faulty transponder. Can I ask when your car was registered because mine has a different transponder, an ID46 which Timpsons (who have been spectacularly helpful) say has to be ordered direct from Fiat and yes you can guess at huge expense.
 
Hi Louie, I have a Panda 2006 with a faulty transponder. Can I ask when your car was registered because mine has a different transponder, an ID46 which Timpsons (who have been spectacularly helpful) say has to be ordered direct from Fiat and yes you can guess at huge expense.

This one ?


https://www.ebay.co.uk/i/182621374804?chn=ps&dispItem=1&adgroupid=45977011320&rlsatarget=pla-324225542782&abcId=1128936&adtype=pla&merchantid=113597104&poi=&googleloc=1006940&device=c&campaignid=856327663&crdt=0






Or £20 cut to code or a photo of your key. No nothing about either company just the first Google found


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fiat-Transponder-Key-Cut-to-Code-Photo-500-Bravo-Doblo-Punto-Panda-Qubo-/131275696205




Normally I would say it was dodgy to have a key cut by post as they would have your address and key but they are still missing the transponder code if you do it by the photo method

Still need to have it coded though
 
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Hi, thank you for getting back to me. Yes the transponder you gave me the link to is an ID46 but there are loads of different ones, Timpsons showed me and their software said my particular car needed a transponder that only Fiat could supply. A previous comment on this forum also about a 2006 Fiat Panda had a new transponder programmed but it was an ID48. Apparently there was a crossover date when Fiat introduced systems (immobiliser Code 2 that couldn't have transponders cloned). I have looked at lots of people, eBay and elsewhere that say they can give you a key that will work but it will need programming. ��
 
Hi, thank you for getting back to me. Yes the transponder you gave me the link to is an ID46 but there are loads of different ones, Timpsons showed me and their software said my particular car needed a transponder that only Fiat could supply. A previous comment on this forum also about a 2006 Fiat Panda had a new transponder programmed but it was an ID48. Apparently there was a crossover date when Fiat introduced systems (immobiliser Code 2 that couldn't have transponders cloned). I have looked at lots of people, eBay and elsewhere that say they can give you a key that will work but it will need programming. ?
 
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